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Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by n3rdy »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #264
chris_wot wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, so PayPal allowed him to use their service with a Social Security number, then they take his money because he doesn't have one? PayPal is the one at fault here. Don't let someone use your service without adequate ID. Tell them and require it before you can use the service.

> What, so PayPal allowed him to use their service with a Social Security number, then they take his money because he doesn't have one? No. You don't need an SSN as long as it's less than $600 a year. This was correct. His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate. . > PayPal is the one at fault here. Don't let s…

> His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate.

Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked.

There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money.

> Yeah, they did. Maybe you should read the user agreement of a system before using it to collect nearly a quarter million dollars internationally. It's only three pages. There is a point at which OP had a responsibility, too.

He earned that quarter million dollars providing a service other people found useful. There is no justification for any organization or government to take any of it away from him.

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

chris_wot wrote: post #270
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, did you just suggest that a payment processor should not be required to ensure that when they hand money out, it's done legally?

There's a vast difference between reporting and freezing. Besides which, if I pay my taxes, in no way will PayPal ever be involved.

> There's a vast difference between reporting and freezing.

Yes, there is. For example, one is legal in this situation, and the other isn't. So, I'm still a little confused.

Is your position that PayPal should illegally pay money out, then report it?

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

n3rdy wrote: post #271
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What, so PayPal allowed him to use their service with a Social Security number, then they take his money because he doesn't have one? No. You don't need an SSN as long as it's less than $600 a year. This was correct. His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate. . > PayPal is the one at fault here. Don't let s…

> His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate. Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked. There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money. > Yeah, they did. Maybe you should read the user agreement of a system…

>Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked.

Yes, that's called taxes. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, the correct number is likely quite a bit lower.

Venezuela's going to take more than the US does.

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> There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money.

It's really hard to take you seriously when you pretend that taxes are theft, and that the IRS is stealing.

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> There is no justification for any organization or government to take any of it away from him.

Uh huh.

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by fastspring »

Perhaps FastSpring would be a good fit for you. Any country the US isn't banned from doing business with is applicable. Users pay in various global currencies and the order pages are translated. I'm the CEO. Funny that you mention Venezuela, my wife just got a grant to do art history research there so I may be visiting soon.

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by jc527871 »

What you could always do is apply for an international business licence that allows you to have a satellite office in the united states. The only problem that you would have with that is you would first need to establish a business in your home country. At that point you would be issued a EID or Tax ID number for your business which would enable the US federal government to take taxes out on any profit that you make with in the USA. Hope this helped and I hope you well in all your future en-devours.

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by n3rdy »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #274
n3rdy wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate. Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked. There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money. > Yeah, they did. Maybe you should read the user agreement of a system…

>Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked. Yes, that's called taxes. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, the correct number is likely quite a bit lower. Venezuela's going to take more than the US does. . > There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money. It's really hard to take you seriously when you pretend th…

> Yes, that's called taxes. There's nothing wrong with that.

Of course there is.

> It's really hard to take you seriously when you pretend that taxes are theft, and that the IRS is stealing.

It's hard to take me seriously because I assert that its theft when one group of people threatens another with violence unless they give them their money?

What gives governments the right to take whatever they want from anybody?

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by chris_wot »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #273
chris_wot wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a vast difference between reporting and freezing. Besides which, if I pay my taxes, in no way will PayPal ever be involved.

> There's a vast difference between reporting and freezing. Yes, there is. For example, one is legal in this situation, and the other isn't. So, I'm still a little confused. Is your position that PayPal should illegally pay money out, then report it?

It is not my position, in fact it's not even relevant to the issue that's being discussed. The original poster said that "the US will want him to pay taxes on that income and has no way to do so at present", so are therefore making PayPal collect on their behalf by freezing their funds.

My position is that it's not PayPal's role to freeze accounts without the specific guidance of the IRS. It's also not PayPal's business how the individual pays his taxes - he may decide to take the entire amount out of the account and then pay it in cash to the IRS. It's not up to PayPal to freeze the entire sum of money because the IRS wants their cut.

Re: I made $200K and PayPal locked my account

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Post by chris_wot »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #274
n3rdy wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His money hasn't been taken; they just won't disburse it until he does his free paperwork, as required by the US Government. That's entirely legitimate. Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked. There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money. > Yeah, they did. Maybe you should read the user agreement of a system…

>Half of it will be taken by the U.S government, that's likely the reason his paypal account got locked. Yes, that's called taxes. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, the correct number is likely quite a bit lower. Venezuela's going to take more than the US does. . > There is nothing legitimate about theft, whether its paypal or the IRS stealing his money. It's really hard to take you seriously when you pretend th…

>Yes, that's called taxes. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, the correct number is likely quite a bit lower.

Taxes are usually filed by a specific time. Taxes are not taken at an arbitrary time, after an arbitrary amount of money is collected. Which appears to be what is happening here.

It seems to me that all this talk about taxes is wrong - it sounds like PayPal's insane money laundering hair trigger got invoked, and they froze the money. Now they are asking for paperwork or ID (a Social Security Number) that cannot be provided because the one who collected the money is not a U.S. citizen.

That's holding the man over a barrel.

Please count me out of any talk that taxes are illegal though. That's about the most ridiculous position anyone can take.

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