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Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rustcleaner »

dlcarrier wrote: post #63

Transformer models are quickly becoming a commodity, and I suspect in time we'll all be running them locally. Even now, you can run something pretty useful on a 16 GB graphics card, and I suspect a decade into the future, entry level hardware will be running better models than high-end graphics cards can run now, as entry-level hardware gets better and models get more efficient. It doesn't mean hosted frontier models…

>and I suspect a decade into the future, entry level hardware will be running better models than high-end graphics cards can run now, as entry-level hardware gets better and models get more efficient.

I doubt it. The play seems to be: lock what was once commodity compute up into datacenters depriving us regular folk of it, then sell it back to us on subscription. Even if my #NeverSubscribe movement succeeds, all that misdirected hardware [into datacenters] won't likely be practical for home use.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by noosphr »

Lammy wrote: post #267
a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

> Most people want to not care. We want our AI like electricity I was with you until this part where the metaphor completely falls apart :p https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/resid...

I was going to say that the model of the electricity market OP is talking about hasn't existed in 15 years and it's only getting worse with more intermittent renewables entering the market. And no, batteries are not the answer because physics doesn't care how much greenwashing lobbyists do.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by JSR_FDED »

niccl wrote: post #260
corv wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish!

nit pick: _So Long_ and thanks for all the fish I'm really sorry about that, but it jarred my ASD-ness

No, it’s _Goodbye_ and thanks for the memories! Everyone knows that.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by wahnfrieden »

nullocator wrote: post #250
cle wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team. Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.

But Philippines is on Anthropics list of allowed countries?

It was flagged for account-sharing, or detecting a compromised account

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rustcleaner »

semiquaver wrote: post #94

My company still hasn’t been able to deploy wide access to Fable because it’s not available on a ZDR basis. This wasn’t mentioned in the article but I imagine this factor is not irrelevant.

>ZDR

Zero Data Retention, for the uninitiated readers in this thread.

The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. I would be shocked if NSA wasn't all up in these SOTA model providers' systems.

Never subscribe!

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rustcleaner »

runako wrote: post #166

The US government basically told them they can't sell "Fable" and so they aren't. That's probably 90% of the story. Once the government stepped in, their 5th generation was effectively killed. They either had to lock it up (Mythos), neuter it (Fable), or leave people with the perception they were overpaying for a weaker model (Opus 5). Hopefully Anthropic has learned to anticipate this risk and has a plan for rollout…

>They either had to lock it up (Mythos), neuter it (Fable), or leave people with the perception they were overpaying for a weaker model (Opus 5).

Option C: they could "get hacked and the models exfiltrated" plausibly. Then the horses will be out and there would be no more point for the USGov's barn door.

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Post by fullshark »

carlosjobim wrote: post #251
bluegatty wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social issues aside, that's a tiny slice of the economics of AI. Just by nature of how often it's used etc. You need workloads for AI be cost effective: software, automation etc.

International trade is a giant sector already, and potentially much bigger than that, now that LLM assisted translation makes it easy to offer your products and services in any language, or make complicated and sensitive deals without a common language. Hackers always rage and down vote every time I mention this, because they are unable to see beyond their small world. Why didn't they learn that their part of the int…

I think OP's comment is about volume/scale more so than practical application.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rustcleaner »

dannyw wrote: post #241
ComplexSystems wrote: post #216

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The government seems like it's in a rough spot. If they let Mythos out, they seem worried people could use it to mass-hack the internet. China seems to not care so much about this and they're right behind. I don't really know what the answer is.

I wonder how much of it is fears over "mass-hacking the internet", and how much of it is fears over the model discovering various NSA/CIA/etc "tailored access operations", and other deliberate side-channels / vulnerabilities / etc? (Or perhaps vulns that NSA/etc discovered and has been keeping it private; as they're known to do). I feel there's a lot that's unaccounted for, and the whole "AWS team reports a 'jailbrea…

One thing is for sure, the USA certainly aren't the good guys anymore (if they ever really were).

-t. American

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