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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by technotony »

rob wrote: post #177
a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

As Anthropic does this, OpenAI Is giving everybody resets like every other day now on Twitter. I'm strongly considering biting the bullet and just ditching my $200/month Claude Code plan for the Codex one instead, especially because I keep running into my weekly limits (even sticking to Opus.)

Where do you get those? I got about 5 resets in July but none since then

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by bluegatty »

carlosjobim wrote: post #175
Zigurd wrote: post #102

For many coders including myself, LLM based coding agents work well enough to be useful, and in some cases worth paying for. What I don't see is vast areas of industry finding $10s to $100s of billions of value in LLMs. There's no lint or compiler that can check for correctly constructed contracts. So LLMs, which should be useful to law firms, incur a lot more manual checking of their work than coding agents. Less fo…

> What I don't see is vast areas of industry finding $10s to $100s of billions of value in LLMs. Translation between languages. That value dwarfs all programming value that can be had. Economically, culturally, scientifically, spiritually.

Social issues aside, that's a tiny slice of the economics of AI.

Just by nature of how often it's used etc.

You need workloads for AI be cost effective: software, automation etc.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by fbrncci »

I have yet to even try Fable or Opus 5. Just looking at the hype they put out prior to the release, then the whole way of releasing these models as well as the pricing just puts me off to get used to it and then needing it. And this while so many good models came out without any hype, botched releases and significantly cheaper. Anthropic really shot themselves in the foot. I went from using sonnet and opus models for 50-60% of my daily token usage to 10-20%

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by anonu »

so whats the best and most efficient coding harness and against which model? what are folks doing to keep costs low? I spent $1000 just this weekend on my personal projects for sota Claude but I feel like I can probably get much more juice if I start looking elsewhere.

and resources or tech stack tips from HN?

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by fatata123 »

a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by bluegatty »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #103
gizmodo59 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second the parent comment. 5.6 sol xhigh is not only better than fable I can also run it forever without worrying about limits. The frontend has gotten much better too with the plugins that come with codex.

Agreed. I have the highest individual plan for both. I run out of Fable credits midweek, while I usually have some credit with Chatgpt left despite it having to carry Fables load for the second half of the week. Also, Sol doesn't refuse constantly and speaks like an engineer rather than a deranged academic. Opus 5 is legitimately terrible and can't or won't follow instructions. It is of negative utility and does more…

OP5 will do long running work, you just have to make it write a plan.

And - trick - give it a little cli so it can run Codex if you have them both.

Let it do codex to do the bulk of the work, get a OP5 sub-agent to audit the work of the codex worker.

Just let Op5 manage and have 'specific oversight.

You can run for 2 days on 1 context window in the manager, the advantage is that it will stick to a broad plan.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by wild_egg »

technotony wrote: post #231
rob wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Anthropic does this, OpenAI Is giving everybody resets like every other day now on Twitter. I'm strongly considering biting the bullet and just ditching my $200/month Claude Code plan for the Codex one instead, especially because I keep running into my weekly limits (even sticking to Opus.)

Where do you get those? I got about 5 resets in July but none since then

You should have just got a reset today at least. There are several sites around for tracking them now. I use this one:

https://codex-resets.com

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by [deleted] »

a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by anukin »

etempleton wrote: post #215
a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

OpenAI is also now actively discounting their model. They just offered a free month to users. Both companies seem spooked by what I have to imagine is slowing user growth.

Where is the free month offer going on? Are you talking about usage resets?
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