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Post by Animats »

comrade1234 wrote: post #67
petilon wrote: post #50

Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

Also, the u.s. makes Israel stop destroying Lebanon. Trump is already pressing Israel on this. Iran will come across as Lebanon's saviors.

Haaretz reports that Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon is not part of the deal.[1]

Hezbollah reports they're currently fighting an Israeli attack.[2]

So, for now, Israel vs. Lebanon is still on.

Israel's internal politics are confused right now. Times of Israel: "With Trump’s Iran deal, the October 7 wars are over. Israel really has no idea what to do next" [3] The haredim are rioting because some draft dodgers were arrested. Elections are coming up. Netanyahu is struggling to stay in power. (Like Trump, he faces trials once out of power.)

[1] https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/lebanonnews/2026-06...

[2] https://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/320711-hezbollah-attacks...

[3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/

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Post by riazrizvi »

Gud wrote: post #222
riazrizvi wrote: post #221

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The reality that a contested position is determined by whoever can assert the claim, isn't a moral choice, it's simply an observable political fact.

No it isn’t. There are many plots of land belonging to people with limited military power. Iceland is a pretty good example. Palestine was stolen by Europeans with powerful backers, a statement you then agree with?

It's adorable that you think Iceland somehow maintains itself without power. In the 1976 Cod War with the UK, where we the UK asserted dominion over 200 miles of their water with our superior navy, Iceland countered with its superior position to surveil Soviet movements in the GUIK gap, and it leveraged that with a powerful alliance within NATO members to get the UK to back down.

In WW2 Iceland's sovereignty was merely overridden. Britain took it over, because the Nazis had done the same in Denmark. We gave it back because the nature of our political, economic and diplomatic profile, compared to Nazism, made it advantageous for us to do so, all things considered.

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Post by smt88 »

tharmas wrote: post #264
smt88 wrote: post #91

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Trump hasn’t (so far) demonstrated the ability to stop Israel from bombing and invading Lebanon, so I’m not sure what we can hope will change before Netanyahu leaves office.

There's a theory that BB is the bad cop, USA the good cop. USA lets BB do the dirty work and gets the blame. Every time there's a pending "deal" with Iran, BB skuttles it by attacking Lebanon or Gaza etc. What BB does is with USA's blessing. USA doesn't want a deal with Iran. USA wants control of the oil and Iran regime toppled. It's ultimately about controlling the world's oil supplies to put the squeeze on China.

That doesn’t hold water to me because Trump looks foolish whenever Israel violates the ceasefire, and Trump isn’t strategic or forward-thinking enough to let himself look weak for an ulterior motive. He’s never done it before.

We also have very credible leakers from within the Situation Room now, so we’ll find out a lot more soon.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

rasz wrote: post #235
bhouston wrote: post #74

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This is nothing significantly different from the Obama P5+1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal

other than $300B war reparations

And the 2700 (regime number) to 30,000 dead Iranians seeking freedom from Islamic religious theocracy who Trump urged to come out and told help was on the way. I hate how much we just betray people who trust us and just want freedom. We betrayed the people after the fall of the Soviet Union who trusted us and said 'OK we will join you'. We betrayed so many Afghans. We betrayed Canada and Denmark. I hate this shit.

Some of the brave people who tried to fight for freedom over Islamic theocracy, trusted in Trumps words help is on the way, and lost their lives. Trump (America) spent their lives as well: https://www.bbc.com/persian/resources/idt-c005edd8-7204-4c74...

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Post by fragmede »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #250
defrost wrote: post #233

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> and not a single one of those people in my circle is against what the US did and is doing in Iran .. Interestingly the Iranians I've talked to (Eg: a married couple both with nuclear physics degrees from Iran who bailed out long long ago) would prefer to see Iran still being monitored and kept in check - they are concerned that Trump has not defanged the HEU program, merely scattered and set it back somewhat, while…

Expats are expats for a reason. They tend to not be aligned with the domestic views of the country they left. Often the leave exactly because their politics are incompatible with local ideology.

Depends why they're expats so "they tend to" have lots of different reasons for immigrating. Iranian Nuclear scientists living abroad have different reasons for doing compared to Americans living in Tijuana. Culturally, there's a tendency to be more conservative to keep the values and norms of the old country, when the old country has moved on.

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Post by 420official »

bhouston wrote: post #260
rasz wrote: post #235

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other than $300B war reparations

Gaza hasn’t got its $10b funding yet so do you really think Iran will get $300B? And remember most of the fund are just confiscated Iranian funds anyhow.

The funds that are confiscated are the 25b of released frozen assets. I do think that the US will uphold its agreements, as it absolutely should.

If the US and allies didn't want to spend the 300b they should've stuck with the existing agreement that didn't include 300b in repairs.

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Post by arrrg »

thunky wrote: post #267
ursuscamp wrote: post #266

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It's a good question, but Iran has a new weapon now: The Strait of Hormuz. Maybe that's enough leverage that they retain that they will stop their nuclear program for a while.

The Straight of Hormuz isn't new, though. IIUC Iran did exactly what war gamers would have expected them to do.

It seems to me that demonstrated leverage actually is different from theoretical leverage. I do think that is a crucial difference.

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Post by Hikikomori »

OutOfHere wrote: post #244
petilon wrote: post #50

Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

Isn't the article failing to document the $300B that the US has to give Iran? I cannot fathom how this will be acceptable to any American. The US doesn't have money to give food and healthcare benefits to its own deserving people but it has money for Iran. Also, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give 170x more.

Obama did t pay Iran, they returned the $400m they stole with interest.

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Post by Hikikomori »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #269
comrade1234 wrote: post #67

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Also, the u.s. makes Israel stop destroying Lebanon. Trump is already pressing Israel on this. Iran will come across as Lebanon's saviors.

arguably, Israel won't stop, and it will tank the deal. It already has set it back a few times.

Just a minor setback of killing Irans negotiators several times.

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Post by Sabinus »

OutOfHere wrote: post #244
petilon wrote: post #50

Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

Isn't the article failing to document the $300B that the US has to give Iran? I cannot fathom how this will be acceptable to any American. The US doesn't have money to give food and healthcare benefits to its own deserving people but it has money for Iran. Also, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give 170x more.

I remember very well Republican figures attacking Obama for sending "pallets of cash" to Iran. It was giving Iran's own money back to them, so will they react similarly to Trump making the same deal?
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