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Post by Sabinus »

sfifs wrote: post #102
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #47

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In this seemingly forever argument, it seems there is some nuance in that Palestine is not Hamas and vice versa. One of the perspectives as I understand it is that Hamas is actually a threat to the existence of Palestine; the militaristic behaviour undermines Palestinian efforts at independence (and this is an avenue for exploitation by those who don't want to see an independent Palestine). It is a similar situation…

I think Israel's leadership has very unwisely lost the Strategic plot here in favour of tactical political advantages of survival. The history of middle East for the last 5000 years (since Sargon of Akkad) is replete with 'the king X "pacified" (the most commonly used euphemism) the people in the conquered territory'. It has never gone well for the victors under successors of king X, often within a generation or two.…

I agree. Netanyahu's strategy of destroying the possibility for the 2 state solution just locks his country into a future of either apartheid, ethnic minority status, or eternal war against ever more sophisticated and hateful enemies.

None are futures he wants. I wonder what the long term vision is? If the Palestinians have a hard enough time they'll just migrate away faster than they have children?

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by bulbar »

stanleykm wrote: post #186
bulbar wrote: post #118

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Hamas' mass murdering isn't a "police problem" whatever that's meant to mean and they are quite explicit in their goal of genocide of the Jewish population in the southern levante.

There seems to be a difference in capabilities here. Israel actually appears to be capable of eradicating Palestinians. The reverse does not appear to be true.

They have always been capable of doing that and yet there are 20% Arabic citizen in Israel and roughly 2 million in Gaza. Before Hamas' mass murdering, there were no signs that Israel intends to mass murder Palestinians (they do of course obviously try to strategically reduce the population in Westbank with their settlements).

How many Jews would be allowed to live in the southern levante if Hamas could choose?

So yes, there has always been a difference in capability and in intend. Under the criminal Netanjahu and the current extremist Government the difference has started to blur, though and Oct 7 worked as a catalyst. It feels like Hamas' mass murdering and kidnapping was a full success regarding their goals.

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Post by spwa4 »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #215
spwa4 wrote: post #212

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Why are there always so many conspiracy theories around the Israeli government. I mean, I'm sure one or two hold water. But the vast majority ... And an even bigger mystery: why are there never conspiracy theories about hamas and the PLA? I mean, hamas is a conspiracy. There's no serious doubt about that. Obviously while there is a problem in Israel, Palestinians aren't behind hamas, unless they get very well paid. M…

Not a conspiracy theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas A lot of shady stuff happens in the region. This is one of them and certainly something to be aware of. > Do you think the KGB wants to support palestinians? Or muslims? Do you think China does? Do you think Iran wants to support Sunni religious nutcases? How do they treat those in Iran? Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of…

> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context.

In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by t0bia_s »

happytoexplain wrote: post #134
t0bia_s wrote: post #133

Would be interesting to see how many of them actually use services of company that this CEO represents.

It would be a petty gotcha with little meaning, more than interesting.

Effectiveness is on of topics that they studied or should learn on uni. Not hypocrisy.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

spwa4 wrote: post #273
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #215

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Not a conspiracy theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas A lot of shady stuff happens in the region. This is one of them and certainly something to be aware of. > Do you think the KGB wants to support palestinians? Or muslims? Do you think China does? Do you think Iran wants to support Sunni religious nutcases? How do they treat those in Iran? Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of…

> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context. In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.

No. That was the topic of discussion, so let's stick to that.

Edit: see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite. Good job.

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Post by Sabinus »

Sabinus wrote: post #265
philistine wrote: post #237

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People are appropriately scouring your position because there was exactly what you are imagining: a population, living West of the rest of the UK, lobbing terrorist attacks at London. It's just that it was the Irish, not the Welsh, doing the attacks. History has given reason to the IRA's despicable methods; once the British got tired of the unionists' intransigeance, they sat down at the negotiation table and hammere…

If the IRA's demands were that the British had to accept enough Irish migration to become a minority in their country (the right of return) somehow I don't think their despicable methods would have paid off. The difference between the Irish and the Palestinians is the Irish took a real compromise and peace deal. They didn't demand the instant return of Northern Ireland and refuse all compromise to that issue, committ…

Edit/clarification: I forgot about British multiculturalism. You would have to imagine Britain had similar 'national and ethnic trauma' to Israel for first IRA example to really work.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by spwa4 »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #276
spwa4 wrote: post #273

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> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context. In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.

No. That was the topic of discussion, so let's stick to that. Edit: see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite. Good job.

> see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite

Yes, the point was that you're only willing to discuss what Israel does wrong, and a conspiracy theory at that (yes, there's a core of truth. Yes, Israel protected Palestinian organizations from the PLA, including hamas. Dozens of them. No, Netanyahu did not arm hamas). How Israel can be blamed for everything. No other comments allowed!

The point is that when it comes to conspiracies, Palestinian organizations are supported clandestinely by foreign state actors with insincere and very bad motives (a hidden agenda if you will). Now THAT is a conspiracy. An actual, real, bona fide conspiracy. And with all the traditional horrible actors that you cannot in a million years imagine wanting to help anyone but themselves: Russia, China, the Qatarese royal family, Iran, ... None of them remotely care about the fate of sunni muslim nutcases like hamas, in fact most of these actors want to physically harm them. From massacring them (that's what Iran does), "reeducate" them, massacre them AND force them to fight wars ... that is what Palestinian supporters do to people they have control over that are similar to Palestinians. That is what this thread is supposed to be about. Why are these actors causing the Israel-Palestine issue?

You see the problem here? The worst possible thing that could happen to Palestinians, by far, is that they would achieve anything at all. That would cause their "supporters" to do to them what they always do. If Iran militarily controlled Palestine we would just hear "the military moved" (that's how the BBC reported it) and there was nobody left alive after prayers in 15 mosques, like Iran did in Zahedan and surroundings.

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Post by basisword »

bulbar wrote: post #270
basisword wrote: post #184

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>> Palestinians continued support for Hamas Have you ever stopped to think _why_ they might continue to support Hamas? The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes. Treat them worse than animals. They can kill 70k people and face almost zero consequences internationally. They've got the backing of a superpower. If you were treated like that I'm sure you would p…

> The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes. People in the Westbank seem to mostly support Fatah, not Hamas. I do generally agree though that the strength of Hamas was fueled by the dire situation of the population in Gaza and Israel's actions (before Oct 2023). That must not mean that one should stand by the side of mass murderers. You can be against Israel…

>> That must not mean that one should stand by the side of mass murderers

The problem is that this is so ambiguous it took me a minute to work out who you meant. The mass murderers you're referring to have murdered many fewer people than the other side. They have done some heinous things but they're only a 'terror organisation' because their crimes aren't sanctioned by a state. A state which has also reportedly done many heinous things. My point being, if Israel were not so supported by the West I think we would look at both sides of this conflict with disgust.

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Post by bulbar »

basisword wrote: post #279
bulbar wrote: post #270

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> The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes. People in the Westbank seem to mostly support Fatah, not Hamas. I do generally agree though that the strength of Hamas was fueled by the dire situation of the population in Gaza and Israel's actions (before Oct 2023). That must not mean that one should stand by the side of mass murderers. You can be against Israel…

>> That must not mean that one should stand by the side of mass murderers The problem is that this is so ambiguous it took me a minute to work out who you meant. The mass murderers you're referring to have murdered many fewer people than the other side. They have done some heinous things but they're only a 'terror organisation' because their crimes aren't sanctioned by a state. A state which has also reportedly done…

That's possible, but isn't a counter argument to my point - not sure if it was intended as one though.

For the people in the southern levante to live in peace, Hamas must be overcome as well as Netanjahu and his clique.

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