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Post by cultofmetatron »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #154
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One MAGA hat at a Republican rally doesn't mean all Republicans are MAGA. If anything is to be learnt, it is that individuals should be judged as individuals, or at least that individuals should not be judged by the worst actions of a group that they may (only appear to) be a part of. A good way for "one side" to trivialise or demonise "the other side" would be to seed "the other side" with extremist messaging.

IDK, but a "pretty soon it's a nazi bar" fable kinda fits here. It's insane how universities are so chill when students literally call for genocide of Jews.

> It's insane how universities are so chill when students literally call for genocide of Jews.

where exactly have students "literally" called for genocide of jews?

The only people I've heard the "kill them all" mentality blatently to my face so far have been pro israel zionists.

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Post by stanleykm »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #74
yodsanklai wrote: post #72

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There's simply no excuse for what Israel has been doing and everyone with a functioning moral compass should be denouncing it. Debating about Hamas is a distraction. They have a right to defend their country, but not treating a whole population as collateral damage.

I agree with your first sentence. The rest is the messy middle around which negotiation is required for any form of minimal co-existence.

Israel has a right to defend itself, but Palestine does not?

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Post by basisword »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #97
gmerc wrote: post #90

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That’s not an excuse. Kidnapping is a police problem. Not a genocide problem.

See, it’s statements like this that make me want to run away like heck from this. Netanyahu is a hack, a war monger, all sorts of bad, but Palestinians continued support for Hamas and seeing large scale cross border kidnapping/murder as a “police issue”, it’s hard for me to feel sympathy. So I bought an EV and that’s the end of it.

>> Palestinians continued support for Hamas

Have you ever stopped to think _why_ they might continue to support Hamas? The Israeli government (and many citizens) continue to take their land. Force them out of their homes. Treat them worse than animals. They can kill 70k people and face almost zero consequences internationally. They've got the backing of a superpower. If you were treated like that I'm sure you would plead for calm, peace, and love. If people are treated inhumanly on mass scale they will revolt because they feel like they have no other option.

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

jfkeinfmsn38 wrote: post #55

Everyone loves the "free Palestine" slogan, but I've never actually seen the people who call it offer a concrete realistic solution that could achieve that - is it a two state solution? Is it a one state solution that will burst into a civil war? What's the plan? What does it actually look like? I still think a two state solution is the only realistic plan.

I've never seen a map of a two state solution which made any sense. It would need to be three IMHO.

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Post by stanleykm »

bulbar wrote: post #118
gmerc wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not an excuse. Kidnapping is a police problem. Not a genocide problem.

Hamas' mass murdering isn't a "police problem" whatever that's meant to mean and they are quite explicit in their goal of genocide of the Jewish population in the southern levante.

There seems to be a difference in capabilities here. Israel actually appears to be capable of eradicating Palestinians. The reverse does not appear to be true.

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Post by a4isms »

kunai wrote: post #106
smashah wrote: post #12

Good kids - proud of them.

So funny how a site called "Hacker News," once vibrant with the ethos of lighthearted disobedience and an inquisitive spirit, finds itself almost religiously in opposition to those who decry a (horrendously incompetent) dystopia and panopticon forced upon the population by the very forces this website's (former, I'm assuming) users claimed to hate so much.

The easiest metaphor for HN's evolution is that of gentrification:

An outsider community forms in a down-market neighbourhood. Lacking money and power, it makes its own culture. That becomes "hip," and those with money start buying property in that neighbourhood, displacing the very people who made it hip to begin with.

As with "hackers," so also with artists, musicians, bicycle messengers, dirtbag rock climbers, frisbee players, &c. &c.

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Post by wat10000 »

jfkeinfmsn38 wrote: post #55

Everyone loves the "free Palestine" slogan, but I've never actually seen the people who call it offer a concrete realistic solution that could achieve that - is it a two state solution? Is it a one state solution that will burst into a civil war? What's the plan? What does it actually look like? I still think a two state solution is the only realistic plan.

I don't have a plan, but we could at least stop being part of the problem by not giving billions of dollars a year in military funding to their oppressors. If you really want to go crazy, we could stop arms sales to their oppressors altogether. That might not result in a free Palestine, but at least we'd no longer be contributing to its un-free condition.

Re: Stanford grads walk out on Google CEO Sundar Pichai speech

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Post by philipallstar »

stanleykm wrote: post #183
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your first sentence. The rest is the messy middle around which negotiation is required for any form of minimal co-existence.

Israel has a right to defend itself, but Palestine does not?

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