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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by sigseg1v »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #155
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

> perpendicularly misaligned Um. Perpendicular lines intersect at some point. Parallel lines never touch, maybe that’s a better geometric analogy. Of course, for most people things that are “parallel” would seem to be in close agreement.

> Um. Perpendicular lines intersect at some point.

Unless you are trying to screw your loyal users in 3 or more dimensions which seems to be the case here

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by _kblcuk_ »

circuit10 wrote: post #269
childintime wrote: post #267

Windows is adding features nobody asked for, like scroll wheel zooming everywhere, like in cmd.exe. Wtf do you need zooming for in the terminal?? I get false positives, and no benefit, at all. Another is Windows Explorer, loses focus all the time, no hint to where it went, preventing keyboard navigation. Basic UI conventions are being violated, for no reason than having no clue what Windows is. Windows is apparently…

Do you mean Ctrl + scroll wheel? I use that feature quite a lot, I like my font size small but it can be difficult to see for other people so being able to quickly scale it up is really useful

I use Ctrl + to switch between different workspaces on Mac, and half of the time I come back to MS web pages or apps (like Teams) the font is either 9000+pt or then -3pt. Outlook takes the cake though, where for whatever reason they decided to support different font "zoom" levels in different parts. And everyone were dreaming of having the inbox menus in 1pt while having email with 1000pt, right?

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by xmcp123 »

sigseg1v wrote: post #257
theandrewbailey wrote: post #112

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> Regaining trust is extremely hard after you've crossed an edge. Microsoft needs to learn consent. Everywhere there's a Yes and "Remind me later", there has to be a No. And the No has to work and be remembered forever, not forgotten after the next update. Using Windows has to stop feeling like you're being roofied all the time.

This is how you can tell that they just don't get it. Microsoft, your users include developers and power users. We are not all someone's tech illiterate relative who needs constant reminding to check that backups are on, nor do we want to use OneDrive. If we turn it off, it means off. Updates off = they stay off until turned back on, don't worry, we'll remember. Backup off = it stays off. Edge off = it stays off. Ads…

It's wild to me that they don't have an Android-esque "Developer mode" that requires an obscure thing that you need to look up to see the options that can harm you (Click X times on the "Build info", etc).

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by noosphr »

codedokode wrote: post #266
noosphr wrote: post #242

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My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everything works. A simple ping tells me nothing works. Let's not pretend Microsoft has a monopoly on idiocy in the software world. All major Linux distros are hell bent on repeating the mistakes of Windows. Especially since the people in control of the stack (minus…

Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better.

To quote CS Lewis:

>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gausswho »

arcatech wrote: post #243
ptspts wrote: post #212

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I hate tiling window managers. After I start a program, I move and resize its window to the perfect position, and it stays there for weeks. I don't ever want it to be moved or resized automatically, which is what tiling window managers do by default.

It sounds like you’re both agreeing that windows should be controlled by either the user OR the OS, not both.

I can't see a practical world where the OS doesn't need to take control of window positioning in certain situations. As a core example, there is full screen. Minimize is another, but that doesn't have a clean analogue in the tiled universe.

There's a natural strong reaction folks have to window managers, because it forces you to mentally remap at such a foundational level.

I prefer tiled managers because the user offloads most responsibility. Open something and by default it uses as much space as is available. If you have a special need, you can float or resize, but the vast majority of cases it makes the right call.

At heart, it's offloading cognitive load. They're more predictable and require less faffing around.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gausswho »

ptspts wrote: post #212
gausswho wrote: post #175

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Even aside from the malevolence, Windows is rotten from the thirty-year old metaphor that it started with: windows themselves. The job of positioning and resizing applications is a confusing mix of responsibility between the user and the system. Once you've switched to tiled window managers, examples like these sound like Stockholm Syndrome.

I hate tiling window managers. After I start a program, I move and resize its window to the perfect position, and it stays there for weeks. I don't ever want it to be moved or resized automatically, which is what tiling window managers do by default.

I will offer that you can resize/move/float in most tiling managers. Remembering your modifications is usually possible too. It's the default behavior that separates the experience.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by barrkel »

pliny wrote: post #59
barrkel wrote: post #30

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What was slow? I'm running Ubuntu on a 9950x3d and 5090 and it is not slow. Games in Steam with Proton are buttery smooth. One hiccup was I had to disable variable refresh rate because moving the cursor didn't "count" as a reason to update the screen, so moving the cursor on its own (rather than e.g. moving a window) looked choppy. But a choppy mouse cursor isn't "slow". Tip: if you have a performance problem, run Cl…

>What was slow? Everything, huge input delay in every interaction, clicking on anything, opening menus, typing, tabbing between windows, everything had 1-2s of delay. >disable variable refresh rate I think I tried this but dont recall, there were a few things related to monitor refresh I tried that probably included this

Claude Code would probably attach a profiler and take a peek under the hood. Agents are making sysadmin and system introspection way more accessible, and the tools, unlike Windows, are generally command-line, easy for an agent to automate.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by neogodless »

cfiggers wrote: post #107
mdavid626 wrote: post #91

I literraly can’t name one feature since Windows 7 what was worth it, even on the contrary: every update made the system worse. I had to restore Notepad, Calculator and Paint from Windows 7. What the hell Microsoft?

On Windows 11, when you reconnect to a monitor or set of monitors that you've connected to before, it will automatically return your open windows to the layout across those monitors that you had when you last disconnected (assuming those windows are still open). This is extremely nice and saves me time on a literally (not figuratively) daily basis, to the point that I generally forget that it hasn't always worked tha…

I wish this worked! I have to go to the office on my hybrid schedule. When I switch between home and office, Windows is "smart" enough to keep the windows on the correct window in the task bar while generally placing the windows on the opposite window where I want it (and literally opposite where it is on the task bar!) It's so annoying and I dread the days I'm switching between office and home for this reason, as I have to drag each window to the opposing window before things are back to how I want them. It would be less bad the old way, where they were just stupidly thrown on the "primary" monitor and I only had to drag half of them over.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by RGamma »

xmcp123 wrote: post #273
sigseg1v wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how you can tell that they just don't get it. Microsoft, your users include developers and power users. We are not all someone's tech illiterate relative who needs constant reminding to check that backups are on, nor do we want to use OneDrive. If we turn it off, it means off. Updates off = they stay off until turned back on, don't worry, we'll remember. Backup off = it stays off. Edge off = it stays off. Ads…

It's wild to me that they don't have an Android-esque "Developer mode" that requires an obscure thing that you need to look up to see the options that can harm you (Click X times on the "Build info", etc).

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