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Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by eipi10_hn »

spudlyo wrote: post #172
eipi10_hn wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thunderbird is under MZLA Technologies Corporation, their money and resources are unrelated to Mozilla Corporation, who pays money for their Firefox.

I’m not sure if it’s fair to describe a "wholly owned subsidiary" as unrelated. > Thunderbolt is funded through a dedicated investment from Mozilla and is being developed by a separate team focused on enterprise AI products, distinct from Thunderbird’s donation-supported consumer product work. Emphasis mine.

Yes, it's unrelated. Each one has its own resources and roadmaps. They are totally not dependent on each other. Thunderbird and its roadmaps/projects are not affected by Firefox' earnings at all. One's development doesn't affect the others.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by eipi10_hn »

balamatom wrote: post #142
eipi10_hn wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this related to Firefox?

Because Firefox is the only thing that lends Mozilla any credibility.

No. Thunderbird has its own merits and they work without Firefox. Mozilla has credibilities in e-mail because of Thunderbird. This topic has 0 relations to Firefox.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by abhinavk »

maxloh wrote: post #202
time4tea wrote: post #140

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Firefox is pretty cool. Use it every day. Blocks ads Multi account containers Dev tools very good I never notice that it is in any way slow, except for those sites that need infinity cpu on any browser, like jira. What specifically is the issue? To my mind it quietly just gets on with things.

In contrast, the Multi-Account Containers system is the primary reason I avoid Firefox. While it is meant to be an alternative to Chrome's profile switching, it is more a workaround than a complete replacement. I need entirely different sets of extensions for personal, work, and school environments, something containers can't do. Firefox's actual profile support is beyond terrible. To launch a separate instance, Fire…

Firefox has a new Chrome-like profiles support as of v149.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-management

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by pwdisswordfishq »

anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

> This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there

I would rather have them work on Thunderbird.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by ksherlock »

computer23 wrote: post #244

What's with the odd name? Apple already has a 15 year-old product called Thunderbolt. Mozilla already has a similarly-named but totally-different product called Thunderbird.

I came here to say that. Especially with the .io TLD instead of .ai

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by tjoff »

PaulHoule wrote: post #132
anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

It's a crazy crowded space. Any entry into this field looks like a "me too" product driven by FOMO instead of being motivated by (a) serving customer needs, (b) serving social needs, or (c) making money. (All of which are fine with me) It will get 0.5% market share -- and I'm supposed to get excited? If you lived in New York City you might think there are Duane Reades coast-to-coast but there are not. If you are base…

> Really the EU needs to apologize for those damned cookie popups and invest in a privacy-first browser.

I love them. They are not mandatory, only shady websites that rather sell users information than providing a barely functional homepage. Yes the popups suck, but I'm very happy that this exposes the behavior and priorities of the industry.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

charcircuit wrote: post #258
hutattedonmyarm wrote: post #194

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Orion on iOS is also a Safari skin and supports extensions

And Brave on iOS has blocking built in to the browser itself instead of like Firefox on Android where you have to trust a 3rd party dev.

To be quite clear, I trust gorhill more than I trust mozilla.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by eipi10_hn »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #248
derf_ wrote: post #187

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These two goals: > ... please stop working on projects distracting from the complex and necessary work of browser and web standards stewardship. > Ditching any direct financial ties to Google or any other browser vendor is both important and necessary... are inherently contradictory. If you do not want Mozilla to have revenue from search vendors that also have browsers, it has to come from somewhere else. Or are you…

I'd argue these are not _contradictory_, just incentivized financially to continue since that's how they've operated. What i'm suggesting is a change. There's plenty of counter examples where diverse funding models for community projects can work without taking vast sums from a single, direct competitor. Linux is one. Imagine if MSFT was the sole contributor to Linux and how that would have shaped its development. In…

Because Windows doesn't go open-source and others can't build their OS from windows like chromium. With OS, there are no open source kernels that are actively maintained and security-fix bump every month by full time staff of giant corporation. With browsers, devs already have an open source engine with most of the work and build are from full-time staff of a giant corporation, and then they just lazily build "their own" browsers upon that and brag on social media.

Build your own browser engine and see how you can pay the devs to make them work on it.

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by BoredPositron »

anildash wrote: post #38

Addressing the usual few complaints folks always bring up: * This is from the separate independent team that works on Thunderbird, not Firefox, so there isn't any resource contention happening there * Thunderbird is revenue positive, and this potentially gives that team another revenue stream to be even more self-sustaining through charging companies * Businesses definitely want to control the AI they're using (espec…

Hu... Revenue positive just last week that had a pretty dire sounding call for donations ala make sure thunderbird can survive...

Re: Mozilla Thunderbolt

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Post by Vinnl »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #92
LandoCalrissian wrote: post #52

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Thunderbird was literally asking for donations just a few days ago?

This was built with money from an grant from Mozilla. See the bottom of this page: https://www.thunderbolt.io/announcing-thunderbolt

Took me a bit to find, so here's it quoted:

> Thunderbolt is funded through a dedicated investment from Mozilla and is being developed by a separate team focused on enterprise AI products, distinct from Thunderbird’s donation-supported consumer product work.

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