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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?

The penalty doesn't have to be increased, it just needs to be selectively enforced.

You'd need to have some unenforced penalty first though.

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I agree. Either that or give men significantly more political power since they are putting their necks on the line.

Political representation in just about every country (including Germany) already skews pretty heavily towards men. It also turns out that men tend to be more in favor of war than women. So whether codified in law or not, the power structure is already how you want it to be, and it's more likely to send men to their deaths.

>Political representation in just about every country (including Germany) already skews pretty heavily towards men.

There is absolutely nowhere in the West where this is true. Even the suggestion that a politician advocates for men's rights would be the end of their career, meanwhile they endlessly twerk for women's votes with all of the right campaign promises of cash and prizes. Some countries even now have ministers explicitly representing women.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

over and over again, we see that governments are pretty bad at doing their job. over and over again, they prove to us that they cant handle money, that they are corrupt, that they put the interest of their political class above that of the people. so are you surprised? id rather be left alone as much as possible in my pursuit of happiness. On my own terms!

Forget the government, what about your fellow humans? Is defending your country an obligation towards your government or towards your neighbor?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question. When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their co…

> Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades

Not heard anyone fight for that once. The more pressing issues seem to he "mansplaining" and men being shirtless in the summer.

> Nonetheless, I'm on the fence about how I feel buying them drinks.

Why?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.” - Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

And this regulation violates this how exactly?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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There is an actual answer to this, don’t listen to the random people replying saying stuff like “because the CDU is in power” or whatever. The actual answer is because the constitutional instrument that allows conscription (Artikel 12a Grundgesetz) is explicitly limited to men. Therefore women are not subject to conscription in Germany, unless the constitution is changed. Perhaps if the constitution were written toda…

You are misinformed and it is pretty much because of the CDU/CSU. There was a chance to change it with the help of the CDU just after the election but before the last government got dissolved the CDU objected...

Can you give a link to what you’re talking about?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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> What's a reason that is politically and not against one's conscience? I assumed that one's political beliefs would also manifest in conscience. For example, I don't think it's in my interest to defend or die for the German state. However, I would use violence to protect my life if someone tried to kill me or threatened my life directly. The German state would interpret this as a political objection rather than a co…

>If I could convince them that I would let someone kill me without defending myself because I categorically reject violence for any reason, they might consider that a conscientious objection. That is a complete fantasy of yours. Political convictions are explicitly stated as a valid type of justification for conscientious objection by the Act on Conscientious Objection to Military Service. It even states the reasons…

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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> I wish we'd first fix women's rights and then extend their duties. "We'll get around to it when some arbitrary measure is met, we promise" This is the same thing you're criticising - using one injustice to justify another.

I don't have intentions to justify an injustice. I'm saying why should we try to make it even harder for a disadvantaged group? It does not help a single German man if women also have to comply to this law. Fixing women's rights on the other hand gives everybody the benefit of living in a society that is more fair. For me, that's a valuable goal.

Women vote, and pressure politicians into continuing a war that they will never have to fight themselves. Many such cases.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Most of the opposition to women in the army comes from conservatives, not from feminists. They imagine themselves injured in the trenches in need of being carried by a fellow soldier, and they conclude that women are too weak.

In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

Some of the best pilots ever have been women. Whatever the population distributions are, if a woman wants to join she should be permitted to, with no presumptions about her limits. You risk never finding some of the best talent if you shut out women.
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