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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by nailer »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #249
pron wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

One of Twitter's strengths was that it was a constructive community where near services & informational/radiative bots chilled. It was a connective fabric, it made information available. That's all been gone. The algorithm fav'ing paid blue check users massively made things worse from there. Bluesky attempts to be better on all fronts here. Interesting apps/services are welcome, permissionless. There is no top down p…

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

yuestion wrote: post #216
arcalinea wrote: post #71

Jay here: this is a transition I've been working towards for awhile, and I'm looking forward to advancing the vision and ecosystem as CIO (Chief Innovation Officer). Toni has been an advisor to us for years, and I personally recruited him to take over as CEO while I focus on new projects within the company. It's an honor to have him on board to lead us into this next stage of growth.

With the new CEO in place, are there any plans to deal with the obnoxious userbase of Bluesky, and perhaps try to expand it out to reach people who don't exhibit such high levels of toxicity?

As one of the first 10k beta users, who was fairly active, then moved back to twitter, I agree with this. The userbase is extremely off putting from the get go- it's not the fault of Graber or anyone else- but they should allow people to turn off the turbo redditor type people with a few settings.

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Post by unselect5917 »

mjr00 wrote: post #77
multisport wrote: post #4

Just to say the obvious: the new CEO is a VC partner and former CEO of Automattic. That seems very bad, no matter how "committed" they are to the vision of Bluesky.

Ultimately the goal "build a nice community where people can enjoy social interactions" is fully incompatible with "build the next Everything For Everyone Social Website like twitter/facebook/instagram/youtube/tiktok/etc so that we can get 5 billion users and start pushing ads at people". Unfortunately once you take VC funding, you no longer have the option of doing the former. From an actual content perspective Blue…

>From an actual content perspective Bluesky is fine

From a content perspective nothing important is permitted to be discussed there. It's just another hivemind with the exact same opinions as reddit and HN. Completely pointless and nothing more than the output of a temper tantrum over not getting to be the censors in charge and the whole world knows it.

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Post by [deleted] »

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #194
CactusBlue wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even think having Jesse Singal on the platform is the problem (like it or not, I believe that all beings must have the right to communicate); the problem here was the communication failure when communicating this decision to the userbase. They could have just reiterated their rules and left it at that; instead, they chose to mock their userbase, write them off as harassment, and banned users left and right, a…

The offended people are the type I least respect on the internet and remember how much better it was before they existed

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Post by jrm4 »

verdverm wrote: post #168
ghaff wrote: post #140

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Once you hit publish, it's public and anyone and everyone can save a copy and distribute it. If you don't like that, don't hit publish.

ATProto won't be this way for much longer. Permissioned data is coming and will not be broadcast or accessible without grants. This will sit next to the public data, but separate.

So ATProto is about to die, in other words.

It was already wayyy too complex. And this? Yeah, they (you? sorry) really need to just give it up.

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Post by unselect5917 »

pron wrote: post #114
mjr00 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately the goal "build a nice community where people can enjoy social interactions" is fully incompatible with "build the next Everything For Everyone Social Website like twitter/facebook/instagram/youtube/tiktok/etc so that we can get 5 billion users and start pushing ads at people". Unfortunately once you take VC funding, you no longer have the option of doing the former. From an actual content perspective Blue…

Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

>Twitter's demise

I just checked https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 and X (formerly twitter) is the #1 news app followed by substack, CrimeRadar Dispatch Audio, and coming in at 4th place is reddit.

So if twitter's dead, what does that make reddit, 3 spots behind it? Well, not dead, obviously. Pretending that twitter is gone or dead is just not rational behavior.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Zak wrote: post #86
jrm4 wrote: post #32

Doomed from the start. It took me a while to figure this out, but ATProto is generally a bad idea; maybe even worse than Twitter. Which is to say, it provides a more robust model for your (true) information and data to be exploited by others than even the Twitter model. The Mastodon-slash-email model that relies on individual servers is better because decentralization is safer -- Those models bear more genuine "abili…

The Mastodon model does not offer much ability to delete. Well-behaved servers will honor delete requests, but the protocol doesn't mandate it. Additionally, a user cannot generate delete requests if they get banned from their server or the server shuts down. Users and server admins can't control whether another server permits archiving of their content. Mastodon and other fediverse software allows following public p…

> The Mastodon model does not offer much ability to delete.

The internet is forever, don't want it propagated? Don't post it.

> Well-behaved servers will honor delete requests, but the protocol doesn't mandate it.

Probably because they cannot truly guarantee or enforce it.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by sbinnee »

arcalinea wrote: post #71

Jay here: this is a transition I've been working towards for awhile, and I'm looking forward to advancing the vision and ecosystem as CIO (Chief Innovation Officer). Toni has been an advisor to us for years, and I personally recruited him to take over as CEO while I focus on new projects within the company. It's an honor to have him on board to lead us into this next stage of growth.

Thanks for commenting on here. I do own bluesky account, but it's been dormant, shamefully. So I appreciate your comment on HN!

Can folks, including me, have hints what sorts of innovative features or changes we will see?

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

fritzo wrote: post #187
jrm4 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mostly don't like this take because it presumes a precise definition of privacy that we all agree on. And it's not even remotely close to that, which is why I think the Bluesky model is perhaps insidious.

Good point. For sake of argument, how about this stratification of privacy levels: twitter/x/bluesky - a big tech company owns your data mastodon - a grassroots community organization owns your data zulip - someone you've met personally owns the data your blog - you own the data (and yes these are a bit of a category error, but to achieve privacy maybe we should broaden the category and sacrifice reach)

Well, the problem is, now the word "owns" isn't really helpful either?

Because you have "possesses" (which can be anyone) vs. "controls?"

Twitter - single point of big company external control

Mastodon - One or multiple unverifiable fallible likely grassroots, points of external control

Bluesky - Once out, merely the illusion of control, because your data is out there, verifiable?.

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