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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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GrapheneOS is finally decoupling itself from Google Pixel phones. This is great news. Motorola makes great hardware too. Looking forward to see what comes out of this.

> Motorola makes great hardware too

Do they really still design their own hardware? I was under the impression that the Moto series and more was designed by a Chinese OEM, since Motorola Mobility is owned by Lenovo (China).

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#272

This was figured out a while ago based on the hints given. That said, I'm pretty excited. Motorola of the last decade or so has made really good hardware with basically stock firmware and a terrible update policy, which is why many avoid them. Seriously, they just offer quarterly updates on flagships, which is incredibly unsecure. Punting software to Graphene solves the biggest gripe many have.

That is not what I experience on ThinkPhone. I get monthly security updates for about two years now. Maybe it is an exception? I'm in EU if that matters. And Motorola is almost free of bloatware. It is practically a stock Android.

Two years? What has this world become... Come back in six years. :-D

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#273

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If this translates to longer device retention (if you enable battery changes, a current gen device can easily last a decade), people will care. $200 phone that you can use for 5+ years without handicapping the user will be a much bigger hit. This translates well to the boots paradox. This can change "cheaper is much more expensive in the long run" to "cheaper is a bit more expensive on the long run". This, of course,…

> If this translates to longer device retention (if you enable battery changes, a current gen device can easily last a decade), people will care. $200 phone that you can use for 5+ years without handicapping the user will be a much bigger hit Would it? Most people, including in the developing countries, like changing phones. It's one of the small consumerist joys they get, plus they show the Joneses that they can kee…

This is easier if the device retains its resale value. Keeping up with the latest iphone is cheaper than the latest Android flagship because of this.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#274

One thing that bothers me is the seeming lack of transparency about who is running GrapheneOS. Daniel Micay supposedly stepped down, so who is calling the shots now? Who runs the CI? Who owns the update servers and signing keys? Who am I trusting?

The directors of the the GrapheneOS Foundation and the other things you're talking about are public information. I stepped down as lead developer due to relentless harassment preventing me from being productive. The same people targeting me with harassment misrepresented what was happening.

You shouldn't get info about GrapheneOS from Hacker News comments especially when multiple regulars here are part of the attacks on GrapheneOS. Hacker News permits people to freely engage in libel and harassment towards me on nearly every post about GrapheneOS.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#275

One thing that bothers me is the seeming lack of transparency about who is running GrapheneOS. Daniel Micay supposedly stepped down, so who is calling the shots now? Who runs the CI? Who owns the update servers and signing keys? Who am I trusting?

Daniel Micay is still running the project despite announcing he'd step down a while ago. You can see the entire team on their Github

The directors of the the GrapheneOS Foundation and the other things you're talking about are public information. I stepped down as lead developer due to relentless harassment preventing me from being productive. The same people targeting me with harassment misrepresented what was happening.

You shouldn't get info about GrapheneOS from Hacker News comments especially when multiple regulars here are part of the attacks on GrapheneOS. Hacker News permits people to freely engage in libel and harassment towards me on nearly every post about GrapheneOS.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Daniel Micay is still running the project despite announcing he'd step down a while ago. You can see the entire team on their Github

For what I understood is that he's just stepped down as lead developer.

You're correct. Dmytro Mukhomor is the lead developer of GrapheneOS.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#277

Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…

If you're in Europe you can use Curve Pay, PayPal and multiple banks which haven't moved to Google Pay. Alternatively, pay in cash if you want privacy.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#279

But where is the EU? They should be funding FOSS like they are funding science.

The EU Commission had an open consultation about "Open Source and Digital Ecosystems" recently and is planing to (more) heavily invest in OSS in the future as a matter of sovereignty. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-ope...

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

#280

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I guess it's rathet hard to satisfy GrapheneOS requirements in 200 bucks budget. Things like at least 5 years of updates.

Also requires a pretty new/high-end CPU for MTE and a separate secure enclave.

The secure element can be on the same CPU die as Apple does with the SEP but a device with only TrustZone wouldn't meet the requirements. It also needs to be a high quality implementation providing the expected features.
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