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Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by visarga »

embedding-shape wrote: post #233
ionwake wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how does one keep ai out of private havens? thorough verification? is that the future? private havens on platforms?

In person web of trust in order to join any private community. It'll suck and be hard in the beginning, but once you reach a threshold, it'll be OK. Ban entire trees of users when you discover bots/puppets, to set an example.

So we expect either 1. people using AI and copy pasting into the human-only network, or 2. other people claiming your text sounds like AI and ostracizing you for no good reason. It won't be a happy place - I know from anti-generative AI forums.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by visarga »

jascha_eng wrote: post #157
keiferski wrote: post #155

Projects like this remind me of a plot point in the Cyberpunk 2077 game universe. The "first internet" got too infected with dangerous AIs, so much so that a massive firewall needed to be built, and a "new" internet was built that specifically kept out the harmful AIs. (Or something like that: it's been awhile since I played the game, and I don't remember the specific details of the story.) It makes me wonder if a ne…

The problem really is that it is impossible to verify that the content someone uploads came from their mind and not a computer program. And at some point probably all content is at least influenced by AI. The real issue is also not that I used chatgpt to look up a synonym or asked a question before writing an article, the problem is when I copy paste the content and claim I wrote it.

> the problem is when I copy paste the content and claim I wrote it

Why is this the problem and not the reverse - using AI without adding anything original into the soup? I could paraphrase an AI response in my own words and it will be no better. But even if I used AI, if it writes my ideas, then it would not be AI slop.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

troyvit wrote: post #256
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

So if America invades Venezuela should we all stop using google? Should we have stopped using google when the U.S. invaded Iraq and killed 150,000 people[1]? Should we stop using products imported from China for the cultural genocide they've perpetrated against the Uyghurs?[2] Is Yandex Russia? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chi…

Honest answers are yes, yes, and yes. It may be unavoidable for the average person to avoid imported goods from China, but we should remain aware of our place in the world and try where we can. If the US does invade Venezuela, I sincerely hope that individuals and business owners try to cut as many ties with complicit US tech companies as possible. Honestly, with this clusterfuck of war crimes going on over "drug boats," I hope they're already starting.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by visarga »

softwaredoug wrote: post #216

The other day I was researching with ChatGPT. * ChatGPT hallucinated an answer * ChatGPT put it in my memory, so it persisted between conversations * When asked for a citation, ChatGPT found 2 AI created articles to back itself up It took a while, but I eventually found human written documentation from the organization that created the technical thingy I was investigating. This happens A LOT for topics on the edge of…

Simple solution - run the same query on 3 different LLMs with different search integrations, if they concur chances of hallucination are low.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by devmor »

amelius wrote: post #140
justinclift wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of Kagi (kagi.com)? With them, at least the AI stuff can be turned off. Membership is presently about 61k, and seems to be growing about 2k per month: https://kagi.com/stats

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

Kagi is based in the United States, as is YC.

If you are concerned about heinous war crimes and the slaughter of civilians to the point that you don't want to use private services from countries that conduct such acts, you should avoid both already.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by visarga »

darkwater wrote: post #100
permo-w wrote: post #29

besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. the same stuff that any half-awares person wouldn't have read in the past is now slightly better written, using more em dashes and instances of the word "delve". if you're consistently being caught out by this stuff then likely you need to improve your search hygiene, n…

> besides for training future models, is this really such a big deal? most of the AI-gened text content is just replacing content-farm SEO-spam anyway. Yes, it is because of the other side of the coin. If you are writing human-generated, curated content, previously you would just do it in your small patch of Internet, and probably SEs (Google...) will pick it up anyway because it was good quality content. You just di…

It's not slop if it is inspired from good content. Basically you need to add your original spices into the soup to make it not slop, or have the LLM do deep research kind of work to contrast among hundreds of sources.

Slop did not originate from AI itself, but from the feed ranking Algorithm which sets the criteria for visibility. They "prompt" humans to write slop.

AI slop is just an extension of this process, and it started long before LLMs. Platforms optimizing for their own interest at the expense of both users and creators is the source of slop.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by alessioalex »

troyvit wrote: post #256
amelius wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/SearchKagi/comments/1gvlqhm/disappo...

So if America invades Venezuela should we all stop using google? Should we have stopped using google when the U.S. invaded Iraq and killed 150,000 people[1]? Should we stop using products imported from China for the cultural genocide they've perpetrated against the Uyghurs?[2] Is Yandex Russia? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chi…

You can take whatever stand you want. When there’s a country that killed, raped and tried to exterminate most of Eastern Europe we can choose to cut any and all ties with it and consider them for all intents and purposes ..terrorists.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by jeffchuber »

rollulus wrote: post #41
jeffchuber wrote: post #12

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that was me swyx

Multiple people have coined the idea repeatedly, way before you. The oldest comment on HN I could find was in December 2022 by user spawarotti: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33856172

i didnt claim to invent it.

i claimed swyx heard it through me - which he did

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