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Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, unfortunately, and we're trying for the opposite here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

That's unfair. I'm going unfairly called out even though I stand by my beliefs and I'm only trying to defend myself. How are the replies to my comments in any way acceptable and according to HN guidelines??? "Put your money where your mouth is", come on. That's not acceptable and it's provoking. How can you defend bullies like this?

I specifically responded with an identical reply to the other main commenter you were arguing with, who was also breaking the rules.

Still, someone else breaking the rules doesn't make it ok for you to do so, and pointing the finger at others instead of taking responsibility is not a helpful response.

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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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I think the kind of laptop this person wishes should simply be made illegal to make. We cannot sustain having all electric devices being thrown after a year or two, these things need to last, to be repairable and make it easy to grab pieces and materials when they die anyway

The half-life of Apple kit is so high, they are arguably a lot more sustainable than their repairable PC counterparts. Apple laptops I have that boot include a 2007 iBook (my folks used it until this Summer and then bank websites would stop working with the Chrome browser they could get working on it), which I'll be putting a BSD or Linux distro on over Christmas, a 2012 Intel MBP that has Linux on it and a couple of…

My experience of being one of the only dev with a Linux/Lenovo laptop in a company where everyone else has Macs, is that my Thinkpad from 2018 outlived all the Macs from the same period, most of which had become overheating helicopters.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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post #90

I think the kind of laptop this person wishes should simply be made illegal to make. We cannot sustain having all electric devices being thrown after a year or two, these things need to last, to be repairable and make it easy to grab pieces and materials when they die anyway

I also want it. I dislike this idea "make it illegal I don't want other people to have the freedom to do something I dislike". Of you don't like unupgradable products, then don't buy them. I like upgradability - apple makes some things like the SSD non-uogradeable without much benefit. But many other parts gain different benefits when you don't try to make everything infinitely upgradable. I really want this non-ensh…

I don't mind people doing things I dislike (and honestly I'd enjoy changing laptop every month as much as anyone else), I simply don't want people to damage too much the planet where I and my family live.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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The framework model is the reasonable approach to people being finnicky about their laptop specs. You can't sustain "I want it just so" and "it needs to be a cnc-machined glued together brick, engineered to the last gramme" at the same time, without a step change in how we build hardware, but the framework comes pretty close If linux power management got a bit better, and there was a good arm chip, it would be a grea…

But the trackpad, the rigidity, the screen wobble, the battery life. It’s annoying. I wish I could just buy a framework and stop this boring chore. But there’s nothing out there right now.

I wonder if the rigidity could be improved while staying modular, maybe just use many more screws? I don't mind undoing more than 5 screws for the bottom to come off, make it 20 and it's still totally fine.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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The framework model is the reasonable approach to people being finnicky about their laptop specs. You can't sustain "I want it just so" and "it needs to be a cnc-machined glued together brick, engineered to the last gramme" at the same time, without a step change in how we build hardware, but the framework comes pretty close If linux power management got a bit better, and there was a good arm chip, it would be a grea…

> If linux power management got a bit better Honestly this is the thing that holds me back from using not a mac. My MacBook is always at the same battery level when I open it as it was when I closed it. My windows laptop regularly decides to do _something_ overnight and is dead when I try to use it, about once a week.

Microsoft had this shitty idea of "InstantGo" aka "InstantOn" aka "Modern Standby" aka "Connected Standby" (the namings alone give away whose idea it was). They think that people cannot wait the like 1 second when opening a laptop to return from suspend2ram / s3, and they think that laptops should be connected to networks all the time. What for I have no idea, they're not phones after all. So now laptops do not actually sleep anymore, at all. The merely run in a low power profile. The worst is that support for S3 got worse in many bios/uefi implementations, where either it doesn't work properly anymore or it is gone entirely :(

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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But the trackpad, the rigidity, the screen wobble, the battery life. It’s annoying. I wish I could just buy a framework and stop this boring chore. But there’s nothing out there right now.

I wonder if the rigidity could be improved while staying modular, maybe just use many more screws? I don't mind undoing more than 5 screws for the bottom to come off, make it 20 and it's still totally fine.

IIRC from one of their videos, they mentioned that they deliberately use cast aluminium instead of CNC machined like the macbook. If they sacrifice build quality for sustainability deliberately, I don't see how they could compete with Apple.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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You know as a company that you have gone out of the ability to create something if you come up first with name changes of existing products. Looking at you, Office (or whatever your name is today).

Google Workspace hasn’t changed its name in a few years now. Do you think it’s due for a change or has it finally sobered up?

Google PMs must not be incentivized to launch new products the way they were, renaming and relaunching the chat app was a regular occurrence.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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Zbook Ultra G1a 14 makes perfect sense: Z means workstation Book for notebook/laptop format, not desktop Ultra is the line, like Pro in MacBook Pro G1 is the first generation, that way you don't have to wonder a for AMD 14 is the screen diagonal

Great, now I can compare it with other Zsomethings. But as the post shows, thats just one branch of many naming schemes HP employs. Also: This already is a workstation, how could it _not_ be "ultra"? Why the doubling? Or does "workstation" just mean "something I can work with", including office stuff? In that case, I am very interested what other letters they use and what they're for.

For the same reason there is the Z2, Z4, Z8. There are several tiers of workstations, the Zbook Ultra is the best PC laptop you can get in a non-boat-anchor format, bar none.

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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geohot: "I want a laptop with a high-end AMD chip, great Linux power management, good docs, solid build, and a normal name" My brother in christ, the ThinkPad T14s Gen 5 AMD exists. Zen 5, aluminum chassis, legendary Linux support, actual power state documentation. They been doing this for 30 years. Dude, you're bikeshedding a product that's been sitting in the enterprise aisle this whole time ThinkPads have been the…

Not sure what laptop you confused it with, but T14s Gen 5 is sold with Intel CPUs only.

I was referring to: Lenovo Thinkpad T14 Gen 5 - AMD Ryzen 5 8540U 14" - Touchscreen - 1920 x 1200 WUXGA - 16GB DDR5-512GB SSD - AMD Radeon 740M Laptop -Model Number 21MC003XUS

Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop

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geohot: "I want a laptop with a high-end AMD chip, great Linux power management, good docs, solid build, and a normal name" My brother in christ, the ThinkPad T14s Gen 5 AMD exists. Zen 5, aluminum chassis, legendary Linux support, actual power state documentation. They been doing this for 30 years. Dude, you're bikeshedding a product that's been sitting in the enterprise aisle this whole time ThinkPads have been the…

I recently replaced my aging X1C7 with a T14s AMD and it has been quite nice!

They really are nice machines. The p series are even better. I'm using a P14s Gen 6 AMD as my daily driver and it is just a fabulous little machine
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