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Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Why do android phone companies load up the bloatware on their phones? Why can't they provide a plain vanilla version of android and let users to choose the stuff?

Supposedly the Pixel line of phones are pretty clean.

I think a lot of this might come down to carrier deals though.

Best bet I would imagine is to buy an Android device not through a carrier and make sure it has the necessary wireless modem bands

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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The war crime is when Hamas and Hezbollah fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel to kill innocent civilians. Any and all means are and will always be justified to prevent that.

...and destroying or damaging >2/3rds of all structures in Gaza and killing tens of thousands of civilians with airstrikes isn't? Obviously yes, Hamas and Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets at Israel consistute war crimes. I assume you must agree that Israel's systematic targeting of schools, hospitals, mosques, and refugee camps would also qualify?

Destroying buildings due to being booby trapped by Hamas; booby trapping I seem to recall was mentioned earlier in this thread as a war crime.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Thanks for exposing your clear bias. Nothing productive will come of this discussion.

After WW2 Germans were literally removed from certain territories and the land given to Poland. It's honestly not much different from the Nakba. I find an immediate refusal to address points of history like this and hide behind accusations of bias to weaken your credibility.

War is a horrible and inherently immoral thing. We do no favors to our humanity or othercs by pretending it's a simple black and white matter when it is really not.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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What a trash title, literally just covering bloatware...

Actually AppCloud is a software that can install apps remotely. Not bloatware. It is spyware. And the location of the developers (example, being in China) would make it a security concern. And Israel is a security concern for countries that don't recognize Israel.

Why are there so many people in this thread lying about this being bloatware? It's alarming

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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...and destroying or damaging >2/3rds of all structures in Gaza and killing tens of thousands of civilians with airstrikes isn't? Obviously yes, Hamas and Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets at Israel consistute war crimes. I assume you must agree that Israel's systematic targeting of schools, hospitals, mosques, and refugee camps would also qualify?

Destroying buildings due to being booby trapped by Hamas; booby trapping I seem to recall was mentioned earlier in this thread as a war crime.

Any evidence of that, that is not Israeli 'evidence'?

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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What’s striking is how often these ‘small’ surveillance tech stories trace back to the same state-aligned ecosystem. When Israel does it, it’s treated as a complex security issue. When another ‘bad’ country does the same thing, we immediately call it espionage. And almost on cue, the discussion drifts anywhere except the uncomfortable fact that it’s the same ecosystem from the same country showing up again.

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Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Fair enough. I guess it's fine to be spied on to make sure US companies have that competitive advantage you mention. As its all in a good cause, I'll take the Samsung phone!

To be fair, us over in Europe have been uncomfortable for a while due to the US surveillance apparatus having total dominion over the underlying systems that run our countries. So, its a little bit tone deaf to hear these complaints from Americans honestly. We’re told that we’re uncompetitive (yet when rising startups happen they’re bought out before being too large)- we’re told that we shouldn’t run on anything exce…

I think USA tech hegemony is perfectly analogous to this Israeli tech dilemma. As a dual American and EU (Irish) citizen, should my company strive to categorically avoid Intel and Nvidia technologies for national security reasons? I think there is a strong argument for tech nationalism but there is still a hegemonic dilemma.

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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Why are you obfuscating the concern? Bloatware does not accurately describe remote control backdoor access. Which country has backdoor control of the phones via this app?

I read through the linked article and an article on smex.org and there was nothing about "remote control backdoor access".

It complains about inability to uninstall from the manufacturers handset which is a manufacturers decision.

Again both articles manufacture controversy simply by nature that the Appcloud is associated with an Israeli company, not by what the app actually does or not by the fact that nobody forced Samsung to install this app on their handsets.

If you have information showing that Samsung is selling phones that are remote controlled by another government or corporate actor, that would be extremely newsworthy. Please share these news when you find them

Re: Israeli-founded app preloaded on Samsung phones is attracting controversy

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"I was so happy to get locked into a different eco system" is all I hear.

You wouldn't get a phone in 2007 that didn't lock you in to something; the question is whose ecosystem you'd prefer to deal with. I remember the Verizon crapware phone experience well.

I remember when Verizon got deliberately hobbled phones on top of that. Some of the Windows Mobile phones came with up to half the RAM if you dared buy it on Verizon, and they locked the GPS out to use VZ Navigator instead of being able to just throw TomTom on 'em.
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