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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by vladgur »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #250
vladgur wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrast…

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

I find middleeastmonitor.com an extremely biased anti-israeli propaganda piece that makes BBC seem like an unbiased news organization.

If you search for the name "Moran Gaz" used in this article to conclude that "Gaz stated that her department has found no evidence of sexual violence" is actually not true and is Moran's statements were quite nuanced:

" In the end, we have no complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will ultimately emerge will be completely different. Either because the victims were murdered, or because the women who were raped by them are not prepared to reveal it. We contacted women's rights organizations and asked for cooperation. They told us that they simply did not contact them. There were parents who contacted the organizations and asked what to do if something happened to their daughter, but they did not disclose the abuse...I know there is public expectation and understand the need to address the horrific sexual crimes and sexual assaults that have been committed, but the vast majority of them will not be able to meet the threshold of proof in court, and the criticism will ultimately come to the prosecutor's office – unjustly. "

>> Either because the victims were murdered, or because the women who were raped by them are not prepared to reveal it.

>> We contacted women's rights organizations and asked for cooperation. They told us that they simply did not contact them.

This reads entirely different that what that article from MiddleEastMonitor.com leads you to believe. The way its titled and the way you interpreted is there were no sexual assaults, only slaughter, only murders.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen...

Or if you read Hebrew (i dont): https://archive.ph/yEKjp

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by soulofmischief »

nandomrumber wrote: post #264
soulofmischief wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's either a gross ignorance or gross deceit to compare those numbers to the amount of civilians who have been killed during the Palestinian genocide. A terrorist attack doesn't give you the right to ignore human rights. The international criminal court has an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. He is a war criminal. Get your facts straight.

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You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactured consent, plain and simple.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

Hamas' actions are easily condemnable and doesn't need a mention, the only people who can't seem to understand that are the same people who seem to have a problem condemning Israel's actions. It is extremely easy to condemn both of them at once, if you start from an ethical, secular foundation.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by yoavm »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #250
vladgur wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrast…

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

There's a UN report on it:

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

This was the conclusion of both UN and EU committees:

"the two groups' fighters "committed widespread sexual and gender-based violence in a systematic manner, using it as a weapon of war""

"In July 2025, Hamas was added to the UN's sexual violence blacklist"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen...

As well as individual research:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-point...

And even interviews with the fighters themselves in which the admit it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On0SINArclQ

Asking why there are no filled allegation is as ignorant as suggesting that no Palestinian home was destroyed because no Palestinian appealed to Palestinian court suing Israeli soldiers for destroying their home. You clearly don't understand how the system works.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by _zagj »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #250
vladgur wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrast…

> Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmo…

> Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations?

It's pretty crazy how far the Overton Window has shifted on Jews. We went from it being prima facie evidence of antisemitism to even "notice" their disproportionate influence on, or over-representation in, certain American institutions, like the Supreme Court--as shown when Pat Buchanan got soft-canceled for noting that Kagan's confirmation would make Jews a full 1/3 of Justices, despite being only 2% of the population--to it now being acceptable to outright deny war crimes committed against Israelis.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by yoavm »

mef51 wrote: post #112
yoavm wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zionism was what pushed Jews to accept the Partition Plan[0], and later the disengagement plan[1], both rejecting the idea of Gaza as an Israeli territory. The colonization of Gaza is entirely driven by Hamas's attack on Israel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the...

Acting like the dominant political stream in Israel has not been interested in occupying Gaza since at least 1967 to this day is a bald faced and shameless misdirection.

First, as the other comment mentioned, that political stream you're talking about was literally the one the left Gaza.

Second, that political stream is the opposition of the Zionism stream that established Israel. Picking and choosing the last two years as a proof for what Zionism is all about is like saying "Americanism is all about taking over Greenland". Somehow, when it's Zionism, people will not notice how ridiculous that sounds.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by _zagj »

pksebben wrote: post #270

TIL what the green names mean on HN (new account). I once worked in an Information Operations group. It has left me deeply suspicious of the verisimilitude of online personae. One of the things I appreciate about HN is the ability to check whether I'm talking to a human, and whether they have a cohesive sentiment.

> TIL what the green names mean on HN (new account).

You've been here for five years and just figured that out?

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by teleforce »

Guess which building first demolished to the ground by Israel military in Gaza at the beginning of the conflict?

No price of getting the right answer, it's the Watan Tower building that also hosted most of Gaza Internet Sevice Provider (ISP) companies including Paltel and Jawwal and their infrastructure.

It was also a hub for several international media outlets, including the Associated Press and Al Jazeera [1],[2]. We are somewhow supposed to believe by Israel propaganda that the demolition of the Watan building is necessary to cripple the resistance but in war, truth is always the very first casualty that further leads to countless human casualties.

[1] Israels warns Palestinians on Facebook but Israel bombing decimated Gaza Internet Access:

https://theintercept.com/2023/10/12/israel-gaza-internet-acc...

[2] #KeepItOn: Telecommunications Blackout In The Gaza Strip Is An Attack On Human Rights:

https://m.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO2310/S00117/keepiton-telecom...

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by slim »

samtheprogram wrote: post #231
shevy-java wrote: post #91

I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

> I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment No shit. 80%+ percent of the country is rubble.

it's a nitpick, but country is Palestine, and Gaza is part of it

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by [deleted] »

hashim wrote: post #241
sebastos wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The conversation is about trying to do everyday activities inside of a combat zone. The international community's opinion about the war is, I should think this is obvious, not the relevant factor. It doesn't matter what people think of the war, only that _there is war_. I think it's safe to say that Ukraine and Gaza are both plenty distracting places to work. That said, even though it's totally off-topic, I can't hel…

It's convenient that your knowledge of what "started" begins on October 7th and all the events of history prior since 1948 never happened, or you just don't care they did. Average Westerner knowledge of Western history, I understand. Yes, they have consistently toppled governments, meddled in the affairs of other countries, and enabled and funded colonalism and imperialism wherever they went. Although the good news i…

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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by stavros »

garbagecoder wrote: post #174
shevy-java wrote: post #91

I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. I happily admit that I would not be able to be productive in such an environment - my environment here in Europe is really quite sheltered (guess this also depends on where one lives; areas close to Russia may not feel as comfortable as in central Europe or Western Europe). The only distraction I have here is youtube mus…

>I imagine Gaza may currently be one of the most difficult environments to write software code in. That you think this says a lot about our news environment. I can think of a dozen places in Africa.

Is there anywhere worse than Yemen?
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