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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by shinycode »

geden wrote: post #255
shinycode wrote: post #150

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It’s easy to understand, when the phone accidentally drops on concrete from >1m of height there is a great chance of shattering the glass. It happens to millions of person, myself included, no matter the care it’s an accident that can cost 300$ to repair. 10$ the screen protector is worth it. I guess you’re lucky !

Never used a screen protector, have been using iPhones since iPhone 3G, never shattered or cracked a screen. I started using a silicone case with iPhone 6S as found it was slippy. Have a leather case for iPhone 15 Pro but considering going naked again.

You are really lucky. I broke several screens and my wife also (on 2nd day of iPhone 6s it fell into concrete). Since then I’ve never been without a screen protector and I break it at least 3 times a year. Maybe the screen wouldn’t have broke and the SP did ? I won’t take the risk given the price of the SP vs the pain of changing a screen. The last time I tried to go naked the 13 pro max fell from my pocket because there is zero grip and I had a dent on the border

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Post by mulmen »

swores wrote: post #250
mulmen wrote: post #205

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You don’t leave the bumpers out at all times. The decking and furniture are all built from suitable materials to not need additional protection. Phone cases are an anomaly.

I disagree that phones are unique in being fragile without protection, what is unique is that we want to carry them around all day without treating them as delicate. The things we eat off and drink out of often can't be dropped from waste height onto the floor without breaking, the front of the microwave or oven isn't unbreakable glass, nor a laptop, or... plenty of things. We're just OK treating them all as things t…

> I disagree that phones are unique in being fragile without protection.

Not sure who you are replying to because I didn’t say that.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by estimator7292 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #117
Aurornis wrote: post #65

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Cases are great because everyone can get one that matches their risk level and frequency of drops. Having a sacrificial outer layer that I can replace for $10 is also preferable to letting the $1000 phone take the damage.

Yeah, I never understand these caseless discussions. I went caseless once since I didn't realize my case would arrive a week after I bought the phone. The phone was slippery (couldn't temporarily rest it on my knee), and I found myself inspecting the restaurant/bar table any time I put the phone down after that one night I placed it right into a puddle of beer condensation and some mysterious food that got in the mic…

The caseless argument is that a multi-thousand dollar device shouldn't be so fragile that you MUST wrap it in plastic to be in any way functional.

A $1k phone SHOULD NOT be a frictionless glass prism. It should not skate away from you ob smooth surfaces. It should not be destroyed by falling 3 inches onto a hard surface. It should have some durability inherent to it.

But instead apple spends billions of dollars making phones even more fragile and it's everyone's problem. We now have to spin up factories processing plastic into custom cases, and throw out all the old plastic cases and the older, more functional phones.

The argument is that phones could (and should) be inherently more robust and durable all on their own. It should not be a hard requirement for you to go out and buy your own case just for the phone to survive any level of daily use.

If they made phones out of plastic instead of glass, this wouldn't be an issue. Plastic backed phones almost always have a texture and when they don't even smooth plastic offers more friction. Plastic phones don't slide away like they're on ice. They don't shatter like my Note 10 did when it slid out of my pocket two inches to the ground. They also don't usually self destruct when you repair them.

The caseless argument isn't that cases suck, it's that we MUST use cases because phones intentionally suck. A phone is not a functional object, it's artistic ego masturbation.

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by kasabali »

xyx0826 wrote: post #123
kccqzy wrote: post #120

> In Apple’s version, a small amount of deionized water is sealed in the chamber. […] Water is often used in vapor chambers, though sometimes other materials are mixed in to prevent it from freezing and cracking the seal, Chiriac says. So Apple uses deionized water, while others add in some other chemicals to prevent it from freezing. So how will the new iPhone deal with freezing temperatures?

Is it necessary to prevent the water from freezing? If the chamber and water within are subzero while the SoC produces sufficient heat, the ice would simply melt. * Edit: the article mentioned freezing could crack the seal. Freezing would be a bigger issue than I had thought, then.

It shouldn't crack the seal because there's very tiny amount of liquid inside there should be enough room to expand.

but that's in theory :P

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

latexr wrote: post #265
joshstrange wrote: post #253

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I will preface this with: Apple is _far_ from perfect, sometimes they even fail the “good” bar and I have serious issues with the direction they are going on some products/software. However, I see them as the lessor of two evils. I understand you might not agree, that’s just the conclusion I’ve come to. > Wrong. The vast majority of Apple fans don't care about Android. This is my experience as well. I prefer Apple pr…

My experience is very similar to yours. I am the biggest Apple critic I personally know (don’t get me started on Tim Cook) though I don’t even share a tenth of it because I don’t want to bother my non-technical friends. But I do use a Mac and an iPhone because I prefer them to the alternatives. If I had my way, several things about those products and the company would be different, but at a certain point I had to mak…

> I am the biggest Apple critic I personally know

This always gets me. I, as an Apple user, have more vitriolic and in-depth criticisms against Apple than any Android user I know. When Apple haters start their rants, it’s always one of a few superficial talking points that are nowhere near the actual biggest issues of the company or its devices.

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Post by tpm »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #263
tpm wrote: post #227

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For some time I was like you. But then things happened, for example I put the phone on an outdoor restaurant table, someone kicked the table, phone fell down onto the metal base of the table, screen cracked. There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around, or using a case.

>There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around, That's my go-to right there.

Good for you. How do you order a taxi without a phone?

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Post by shpx »

dcow wrote: post #264
shpx wrote: post #145

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You usually just need to replace the front or back glass, which is $30 with Apple Care or $60 for both, not the entire iPhone. I crack mine about once a year.

How do you replace just the glass with AppleCare? They always tell you it’s a full phone replace if the glass is broken, unless it’s changed recently (which would be welcome).

https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair

Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool

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Post by fuzzfactor »

tpm wrote: post #276
fuzzfactor wrote: post #263

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>There isn't really anything I could do to save it short of not carrying it around, That's my go-to right there.

Good for you. How do you order a taxi without a phone?

Never thought of that, last time I used a taxi it was a dial phone so it has never been a consideration for decades.

I'm old enough to where I won't be forgetting any time soon how excellent things can be without any phone at all, much less cellular. Land lines were usually too expensive for students but people weren't crying about doing without.

I do bring the flatphone with me regularly, just not most of the time, and only when I have a strong anticipation of wanting or even needing it.

In a restaurant I didn't even like pagers when they were a thing.

Pagers might have been anti-social with their piercing interruptions, but least they weren't as annoying to carry around as an oversized internet-connected device.

And definitely not as anti-social as a phone having Facebook with a human being strung along attached by the finger.

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Post by lr1970 »

Wistar wrote: post #3

Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt

Nice video, indeed. Towards the end of the video the last shot of the home screen says "April 1" -- nice Easter Egg for all us "fools".

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Post by fragmede »

fcarraldo wrote: post #268
garbagewoman wrote: post #204

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I mean its wasteful in terms of the energy/co2 required to service your phone replacements. Wasting resources unnecessarily.

Given the unlikelihood that you need it serviced, it’s significantly less wasteful than a case made of plastic and shipped globally.

It depends on how clumsy you are. Some people just are. Sounds like you're not. Lucky for you.
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