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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by steelframe »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #170
spike021 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe my new car has a fuse you can pull to disable the remote telemetry. However, it disables some useful features, like being able to set valet mode from the Toyota app (useful because some dealer service departments will take cars joy riding) and track the car usage. it also tracks tire pressures. sure the tire pressure can easily be checked manually with my Slime gauge but having it on the phone is handy.

I've read disabled cellular modem on toyota prius also disables the microphone for bluetooth phone calls / handsfree commands. funny that.

I pulled the DCM fuse on my GR Corolla. I can confirm that it disabled the microphone. One of these days I might get around to pulling the car apart and popping in a resistor in place of the antenna.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by steelframe »

johnea wrote: post #48
__fst__ wrote: post #28

EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

I just bought a used 2023 Nissan Leaf. Fully EV, real buttons and knobs, and of course the model is cancelled. The original tracking was 2G cellular, later updated to 3G cellular. 2G is long depricated, and 3G is already shutdown in many places. This is a great car! Which explains why it's no longer available. It doesn't meet modern american needs, like being at least as large as a small building, or having 0 visibil…

I've owned two LEAFs. Fantastic vehicle. I only got rid of it when I realized all the cars around me were only getting bigger and heavier, and I felt I needed to get an SUV to defend myself against that.

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Post by devops99 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #170
spike021 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe my new car has a fuse you can pull to disable the remote telemetry. However, it disables some useful features, like being able to set valet mode from the Toyota app (useful because some dealer service departments will take cars joy riding) and track the car usage. it also tracks tire pressures. sure the tire pressure can easily be checked manually with my Slime gauge but having it on the phone is handy.

I've read disabled cellular modem on toyota prius also disables the microphone for bluetooth phone calls / handsfree commands. funny that.

Beyond any reasonable doubt any verbal conversation you have in your Toyota is being parsed by one or more LLMs. Anyone who believes otherwise is either room temp IQ or severely autistic.

  https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/toyota/

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Post by Rohansi »

mulmen wrote: post #150
cherryteastain wrote: post #97

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

Why would turning on the heating require cell service? If you’re out of key fob range do you really need to pre-heat the car? The only possible use of cell service is for infotainment and even that’s questionable in a world of ubiquitous cell phones.

I do this all the time. Don't even have a fob to begin with but it's very convenient when you're in a shopping mall and are going to make your way back to the car, for example.

Also handy to find your car if you manage forget where you parked for some reason. Or to set a destination for GPS navigation.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by Lio »

chgs wrote: post #224
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #145

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My solution: Buy an old car...

And in 10 years time what’s your solution?

Well my 10 year old car had 3G, which is now defunct.

I'd hope in 10 years 4G and maybe be 5G would also be defunct with their networks turned off.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by Lio »

Vinnl wrote: post #210
jmward01 wrote: post #125

The answer is simple: No matter the reason, if you have a data breach you must pay each person 100$ min with higher amounts depending on the information lost. Additionally, if that information is used in a crime then you are liable for further damages. Car companies, and other data vacuums, will just stop collecting it if they are liable for what happens to it. I will not buy a car that does this. I am starting to tu…

> I will not buy a car that does this. Unfortunately it looks like that might be pretty hard: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...

One way of looking at it is that the manufacturers are acting as a cartel to prevent anyone having access to privacy.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by Lio »

nunodonato wrote: post #92
behnamoh wrote: post #39

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I hate touchscreen buttons too and unfortunately all EVs I've seen have adopted that. I wonder if there are EVs with good old fashioned mechanical buttons.

Kia/hyundai, best EVs imho

Kia is the company that gathers “information about your race or ethnicity, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sex life and political opinions” and “trade union membership”.

I don't want to have anything to do with a company like that.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by mihaaly »

Rohansi wrote: post #275
mulmen wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would turning on the heating require cell service? If you’re out of key fob range do you really need to pre-heat the car? The only possible use of cell service is for infotainment and even that’s questionable in a world of ubiquitous cell phones.

I do this all the time. Don't even have a fob to begin with but it's very convenient when you're in a shopping mall and are going to make your way back to the car, for example. Also handy to find your car if you manage forget where you parked for some reason. Or to set a destination for GPS navigation.

Putting your PIN on the back of your credit card is the most convenient thing. It is always there when you need it, no need to remember!

Marginal knicknacks vs. serious risks kind of thing here.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by Rohansi »

mihaaly wrote: post #279
Rohansi wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do this all the time. Don't even have a fob to begin with but it's very convenient when you're in a shopping mall and are going to make your way back to the car, for example. Also handy to find your car if you manage forget where you parked for some reason. Or to set a destination for GPS navigation.

Putting your PIN on the back of your credit card is the most convenient thing. It is always there when you need it, no need to remember! Marginal knicknacks vs. serious risks kind of thing here.

The risks are not even comparable, IMO. I would rather take these conveniences because I don't think anyone would care to use that information against me if it was leaked. But many people would gladly use a credit card with PIN written on it.
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