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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by crooked-v »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #230
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

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To me, everything about how it's been presented so far says the point of how it's set up is that they don't want to use backends. They want everything to happen on device. Even having ChatGPT for expanded queries is an unfortunate necessity driven by the hardware not being powerful enough yet.

How much is run entirely on device so far is unclear, but the sessions later in the day should expand on that.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by xnx »

fsto wrote: post #164

Can someone explain why the AAPL share drops 1% during the event. Did the market expect more? If so, what?

Apple has largely maxed-out on iPhone market share, so investors probably want to see things more like subscription services than can bring in $XX billions new revenue per quarter.

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Post by gkoberger »

seydor wrote: post #256
gkoberger wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Things are secure (outside of the explicit OpenAI calls via Siri) and mostly seem subtly integrated. You don't have to use each feature, but why blindly disable all AI having not even tried it?

"It will automatically find a picture of your drivers license, read the number and add it to your text" This is scary stuff that should not be happening on anything that is closed-source and unaudited publicly. The pervasiveness of surveillance it enables is astounding.

How is it any more dangerous than having a picture of your ID on your phone? It uses a local model for finding and extracting data, and confirms before autofill.

Should we start auditing wallets next? People's driver licenses are sitting insecure and unencrypted in their pockets! Anyone could grab it!

Security is important, but being alarmist toward thoughtful progress hurts everyone.

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Post by avtar »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #154

Big partnership for OpenAI. Incredible Apple decided to integrate with a third party like this directly into the OS. This feels like something Apple could have executed well by themselves. I was hoping they weren't going to outsource but I suppose the rumors while they were shopping around were true. I think this further confirms that they think these AI services are a commodity that they don't feel a need to compete…

> This feels like something Apple could have executed well by themselves. I was hoping they weren't going to outsource

Who is to say they aren't eventually going to replace the OpenAI integration with an in-house solution later down the line? Apple Maps was released in 2012, before that they relied on Google Maps.

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Post by Tagbert »

gigel82 wrote: post #218
davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

The problem is they don't explicitly define when 1 can pass to 2 and whether we can fully and categorically disable it. As far as I know, 1 can pass to 2 when governments ask for some personal data or when Apple's ad model needs some intimate details for personalization.

The information provided for level two is end to end encrypted and not stored so the risk level is pretty low here.

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Post by ayakang31415 »

tom1337 wrote: post #251
ayakang31415 wrote: post #182

There was one part that I didn't understand about AI compute: For certain tasks, server side compute will be done as on-device chip is not powerful enough I suppose. How does this ensure privacy in verifiable manner? How do you CONFIRM that your data is not shared when cloud computing is involved with AI tasks?

Your data is being shared. But they've shown that it is being done in a way where only required data leaves the devices and there are some protections in place which try to minimize misuse of the data (the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example). The call to Apples "Private Compute Cloud" is intransparent to the user, ChatGPT calls need permission if I understood it correctly…

So it is not really private then.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by whalee »

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

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Post by Hamuko »

fsto wrote: post #164

Can someone explain why the AAPL share drops 1% during the event. Did the market expect more? If so, what?

Market expected Apple ChatGPT, but they got Siri with some fixes.

Literally one of the demonstrations in the Apple Intelligence part of the keynote was "7am alarm", which creates an alarm for 7 AM.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by buildbot »

shbooms wrote: post #253
aaronharnly wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a "promise from Sam Altman", that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. So I think it's worth as much as Apple is willing to spend enforcing it, which I imagine would be quite a bit.

> that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC. do you have a source on this or are you just assuming?

Do you think this is all running off the standard openai API and they picked a dev at random in Apple to use their accounts API keys?

Of course there is some agreement…

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