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Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

They've had several hits over the past few years, what nonsense are you spreading? Encanto and Turning Red are both great

When a company is spending more to make a movie than they earn with the movie it's no success just a lot of bought buzz

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And how much did those movies cost to make? I think the movies you are referring to were expecting to make 500m or more. They needed to make about 500 to break even! Disney said have some successes last year. But they aren't as impressive as you might think

Box Office is not the yardstick disney uses, that's just the first phase of the disney wheel. They make oodles of money in merchandise and theme park content that's based on the same (expensive) IP as the movie. When they don't break even on the movie, they'll generally break even or make money on the IP behind the movie.

That would traditionally be the case, but the merchandising is bombing too, and (anecdata time) I can confirm this through personal observation: 80%-off sales of Star Wars merchandise in a local toy store, and my kids and their circle having a keen sense of which IP they like (unsurprising spoiler: it’s the stuff based on good movies, not the stuff based on bad movies).

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Every time something like this happens, it makes me really sad. It means more of what we experience will have to adhere to more of the same rules, patterns, and decisions. Uniformity is prevailing.

There's lots of independent, smaller entities out there, but yea, the grey goo of mainstream IP is always expanding.

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

I flagged this - it seems too clearly flame bait. If it was an honest mistake, my apologies. Disney had three movies in 2023 which took more than $200 million at the US box office

Star Wars is destroyed beyond redemption by now, and the same goes for Indiana Jones. Pixar is also on a downwards trajectory, and whoever says otherwise is deluding himself/herself.

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No, Disney uses Unreal for their rendered real-time sets. This is about more than just Fortnite.

Do they still? They used Unreal for the virtual sets in The Mandalorian S1, but for S2 they switched over to a different solution. https://www.ilm.com/vfx/the-mandalorian/ > For season one of the series ILM StageCraft utilized Unreal Engine to perform the real-time render https://www.ilm.com/vfx/the-mandalorian-season-2/ > The real-time render engine called Helios was specifically developed by ILM engineers > Ctrl-F…

I've got a family member that works on production at Lucas, Unreal is still very much a mainstay and not going anywhere.

They're actually expanding their use of it with more virtual sets, mainly because they're now leasing them out a fair bit and need the capacity.

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Disney is the last standing Old Media company. All other Media and Entertainment companies are either owned by Comcast/AT&T or are Tech companies (netflix, amazon,apple,sony,youtube,tiktokk) that have carved out a chunk of the media and entertainment sector. Disney is basically on the back foot here, at a time when the attention economy is wrecking chaotic unpredictable havoc on the the media sector.They had to do so…

Really? I thought Disney was doing well. Their subscription service is only behind Netflix and Amazon, the latter of which includes its service in Prime so is not an equal competitor. Further, their ownership of Marvel has provided them some of the largest grossing films of all time, and their Star Wars acquisition seems to be paying off. The parks seem to be quite strong, but I've only experienced the Japan ones. Ov…

> Their subscription service is only behind Netflix and Amazon

Because it's drastically cheaper in an obvious dumping exercise, and has some interesting IP kids and grown ups that used to be kids want to (re)watch. However there really isn't that much content on it, nor is new content coming that quickly, so at some point after everything of interest has been seen, people will start unsubscribing.

This is why Netflix is constantly churning out new stuff of very varying quality (utter shit next to masterpieces) - you need to keep people paying the subscription.

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Disney gets more IP in front of more 13-25 year olds. This is a very impressionable age group, and can create life long fans. This is a good value proposition for Disney. Epic probably gets an increase in valuation -- lifeblood for tech companies. Collaboration skins are massive for revenue. However, I'm concerned this relationship will force uncool collaborations with Fortnite and reduce it's appeal. Disney has had…

Disney is the last standing Old Media company. All other Media and Entertainment companies are either owned by Comcast/AT&T or are Tech companies (netflix, amazon,apple,sony,youtube,tiktokk) that have carved out a chunk of the media and entertainment sector. Disney is basically on the back foot here, at a time when the attention economy is wrecking chaotic unpredictable havoc on the the media sector.They had to do so…

Paramount?

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Disney is diversifying. This comes on the heels of their subsidiary ESPN creating a new sports streaming service with Fox and Warner/Discovery ( https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/espn-fox-warner-bros-discov... )

Disney is owned by the CCP this not diversifying. Its a great fit for EPIC and Disney to work together because of this. Let the protests begin!

How do you mean they're owned by the CCP?
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