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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Dork1234 wrote: post #269
rkagerer wrote: post #248

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My god how I would happily pay 5X per copy for a Windows that had all the shitty new garbage culled out (like ALL the Telemetry and forced updates).

It is $200-300 per license times 5x. It it worth $1000-$1500 for it?

Yes, I'd be fine with that.

For better or worse, Windows is a key part of my daily business and life in general, and I don't expect it to be free. I regularly use Windows applications that cost more than $1500 by themselves. If I wanted a free OS, there are other OSes for that, for which I would still have to pay with my time.

$1500 for a clean, advertising- and telemetry-free Windows LTSC license would be a bargain... if only they'd ask.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by LeFantome »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #271
Dork1234 wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is $200-300 per license times 5x. It it worth $1000-$1500 for it?

Yes, I'd be fine with that. For better or worse, Windows is a key part of my daily business and life in general, and I don't expect it to be free. I regularly use Windows applications that cost more than $1500 by themselves. If I wanted a free OS, there are other OSes for that, for which I would still have to pay with my time. $1500 for a clean, advertising- and telemetry-free Windows LTSC license would be a bargain.…

If true, I think you can subscribe to LTSC today and get what you want.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bongodongobob »

dijit wrote: post #252
bongodongobob wrote: post #249

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I mean, 2014 was 10 years ago and 2012 just EoL'd. I agree that era wasn't as easy. But Windows 10 (other than Home) in its maturity, is and has been pretty rock solid, imo. Windows Server is a different topic entirely.

Yeah, you are right, but I don't get to deploy many thousands of physical windows machines often because I make sane choices. Has there been significant progress in this area in a decade? last time I installed a windows (11 pro) it was significantly worse than Ubuntu. Both in downloading it and installing it.

I mean, when your users need to use software that's only available on Windows and consume the entire M365 stack, Windows is the only sane choice.

That being said, those environments are generally going to EoL Windows 10 as there's just no reason to move to 11 if things are working. I have 0 experience with Windows 11 yet for that reason.

As far as a consumer goes, if you're starting from a Windows 10 machine, creating the installation media is as easy as downloading the Windows installation media creation tool, point it to your USB, and off you go. Licensing is generally tied to the hardware at this point, so if your device is newish, there's no activation or license keys.

Install takes maybe 15 minutes and is hands off other than username, time zone, pick your wifi SSID etc. Unless you have special hardware, you shouldn't need to install any other drivers. It just goes.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Sakos »

DANmode wrote: post #80
louthy wrote: post #55

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> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

> when it comes to everything “just working”, it’s hard to beat. You've never had updates bork your Windows machine, its drivers etc a few hours before an important meeting, I see!

I've had the same issue with Linux. It's far from immune. I've also generally found it easier to recover a borked Windows install than a Linux one.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by bongodongobob »

ponorin wrote: post #111
louthy wrote: post #55

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> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

I've tried installing Windows 10 to my old ("old" as in Ryzen 2000 series) HP laptop so that I can give it out, and it took forever to install all the updates. Windows Update sucks even when you give permission to do whatever it wants; super slow, doesn't know what to prioritise, and unable to just jump to the newest release. And even then it missed some drivers, especially the fingerprint sensor, so to this day Wind…

Well, if you're using an old Windows 10 installer (my assumption), yeah, that's just how it goes. Like, if you're starting at Win 10 1909, that's like upgrading Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04. Start with an updated installer and you'll have a better time.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Sakos »

nicetryguy wrote: post #13

> There is no Cortana, no AI Co-Pilot, or an extreme amount of unwanted, pre-installed software. Ok XP came with tons of crap and bloatware from most manufacturers of the time, let's not rewrite history here! Of course, you could just do a fresh install or actually delete the programs you didn't want, looking at you Edge....

Now we get Microsoft delivered bloat and unwanted, pre-installed software. They'll even automatically install all the OEM junk when updating a fresh W10/11 install with a clean USB stick made from the MS iso. That didn't happen with a fresh XP install with a non-OEM disc.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by LeFantome »

dagmx wrote: post #160
exabrial wrote: post #127

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

Windows 2000 looked quite distinct ( at the time ). It looked quite “professional”.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by LeFantome »

mrweasel wrote: post #188
dagmx wrote: post #181

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Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. It was Windows ME. Most people would not have experienced 2000. Windows 2000 was the last of the separate business targeted operating systems. Therefore I’d argue the nostalgia isn’t misplaced because most people under 45 just couldn’t have the nostalgia for 2000 to begin with. XP unified the two lines into one OS with multiple SKUs instead of…

> Windows 2000 wasn’t the version before Windows XP for most people though. That's probably a fair observation. Windows 2000 came out before Windows ME, so it you had just a slight interest in computers, you'd try it out and after that Windows 98 and even ME felt like a downgrade, so you'd stay on 2000. I remember getting an beta release of Windows 2000 in late December 1999 and that was basically it, every other ver…

Agreed. If Windows 2000 could run 64 but applications, I would find a way to keep using it.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by mysterydip »

nuancebydefault wrote: post #253
Dwedit wrote: post #191

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XP wasn't really dumbed down, just more colorful. You could turn off the colorful theming if you wanted to. Meanwhile, Windows 2000 predates consumer Wifi, so there's no UI in the operating system for connecting to networks.

Weird, I still remember the much older Windows 3.11 for Workgroups already having some networking support (using ethernet 10 Mbps or so I guess). Or... was "for workgroups" a misnomer?

You're correct, it worked on wired networks just fine. I think they're specifically talking wifi.
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