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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by croutonwagon »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

Even Toyota is moving in that direction. They put their remote start under a subscription model and to my knowledge haven’t backed off it despite the initial backlash. [1]

And GM is removing CarPlay and android auto entirely from their head units. Under the guise of “safety”.[2]

Frankly unless consumers react strongly, I don’t see the car industry righting the ship with their anti consumer crap.

I have a 2009 Toyota. Arguably the sweet spot for features. Have a backup camera integrated into the tailgate but minimal otherwise computerized stuff. The A/C controls are the traditional 3 dial setup which is ideal for me, I can adjust it without looking down at all. I had to pull over to turn off the heat when I borrowed my in-laws F-150 for a day. I did swap the head unit for a kenwood with wireless CarPlay and integrated dashcam.

Given what I had seen from new models, I’m going to be sticking with my 09 Tacoma for a while longer at least.

Even my wife’s 2018 Honda Pilot had surging issues at low RPMs that was caused by dirty transmission fluid. Nothing that would throw an error, luckily my mechanic had just seen the same issues before. Her car has had more issues than mine honestly.

[1] https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-...

[2] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-droppin...

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

janoc wrote: post #251
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.

Wouldn't be the first time the dealership was telling customer complete BS assuming that they don't have a clue in order to either get out of a warranty repair or to inflate an invoice. Also dealerships not having a clue is not rare either. Many garages these days only connect a computer to the diagnostics port, download whatever error codes are shown and tell the shocked driver that half of their car is kaputt with…

As another commenter mentioned, this is actually expected behaviour [1]. Because it’s precedented, it’s treated as okay [2].

To me, the car broke. Plainly and simply. And had Tesla had a similar fuckup, I don’t think they’d find sympathy. (Reasonably.) That’s something that comes with a longevity.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38762366

[2] https://www.subaruoutback.org/threads/loose-gas-cap-causes-e...

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Post by richardw »

Someone wrote: post #191
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

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> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions ( ht…

You think the GM and Ford gigafactories would have taken up the slack, ignoring the chance to milk existing ICE investments for another decade? The charging network would have spontaneously emerged and somehow been as good as what Tesla delivers?

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Post by mnky9800n »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

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> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

I feel like the subsidies given by the government did that. Free parking, free cash towards the car, no taxes, etc. Is what revolutionised the electric car market. And of course most new cars are electric. They are banning the sale of gas powered cars in a couple years in Norway. Maybe Tesla made a car prior wanted but the government made it easy for them to buy it.

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Post by mlrtime »

oblio wrote: post #223
nickpp wrote: post #116

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> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole. I'll try to find the article. It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration. Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since…

Redistributing is not a problem that needs to be solved, raising the floor is.

The delta between floor and ceiling does not matter. Lift everyone up, this is not 0 sum.

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Post by underdeserver »

seanieb wrote: post #184
underdeserver wrote: post #132

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Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I admit I never had a service need that prevented me from driving: I have a preemptive A/C tube replacement and I have an appointment to replace a tire pressure monitor, so I can't attest to the quality of service.

Regarding autopilot, I agree that it's bad. I don't know how it compares to other cars - I've never driven another car with lane-keeping - only a Toyota and a Volkwagon with adaptive cruise control, and my Tesla seems to be as good as they were.

In truth I think the whole "self-driving car" idea is a horrible mess. If I were a regulator the only self driving I would approve is Level 5 - full self driving, and maybe level 4 which is really level 5 just geofenced. Either you're driving the car or the car is driving itself, you can't have it both ways.

Adaptive cruise control is still you driving - because if you lose focus or attention for more than a second or two you'll slip off lane - while lane keeping is horrifying to me because you could lose attention for half and hour and still be fine - right until you're not (and neither is the person you hit).

All this to say that yes, Tesla's autopilot is crap, but I don't use it and wouldn't use a competitor's version, so I don't measure it by that yardstick.

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Post by linsomniac »

braza wrote: post #125
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car. The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it dif…

I agree on the Model S, some of the interior feels cheap (but some does not). In particular the panels around the door interior don't mount very well or stay put. The rest of the interior seems good though. This coming from an Audi A8, which had a really great interior.

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Post by exitb »

dgellow wrote: post #241
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

Their valuation is three times larger than Toyota, yet they manufacture only 10% as much cars a year. It’s still deeply rooted in hopes of future expansion and innovations, lack of which they might not survive.

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Post by fireflash38 »

nickpp wrote: post #239
oblio wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole. I'll try to find the article. It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration. Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since…

> I'm not super convinced the end result is better. He said from the warm comfort of his home, with a full belly, writing on a supercomputer created in SV, with software written in SV, on a platform build by SV on a global network created, of course, by the SV. Would you give up technology then? Nobody stops you but I seriously doubt the productivity of hand-plowing fields is in any way higher than that of modern far…

Ah, the old "you can't criticize anything unless you're a luddite". Inevitably, you'd excuse them too cause they don't have experience. Make an actual argument.

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Post by pard68 »

jeremyjh wrote: post #265
pard68 wrote: post #250

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Many states (or all the ones I have lived in anyway) have regular, mandatory inspections.

A lot are only checking emissions and lights.

At least where I have lived if there is an emissions check it is a separate test. I think the inspections I have had to do involve brakes, lights, steering/tie rod, windows (no cracks/chips), exhaust, and I think in VA the engine light could only be on for frivolous things.
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