I see, Industrial Espionage is now the norm. The telephone company, in this case zoom, will simply automate it and resell it on the open market. Also what’s so cool about zoom? I used it once and it was utter crap. Was its popularity largely due to cargo culting novelty or did i genuinely miss something?
Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
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#272At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…
This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot. Once we do have AGI, and it chooses to embark upon a large project, would it prefer to just do it all itself, or would it prefer to spawn independent agents to take responsibility for each part of the project, which would then need to periodically meet to coordinate? If the latter, I do expect something not too dissimilar from current office meetings. But if…
The way humans communicate is ineffective. The most likely scenario is that there will be different systems that AGI integrates with to do the job. AGI itself will be a distributed system that scales horizontally so it will be a single huge entity with lots of interfaces.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#273It seems to me that every ‘AI’ effort I see today utterly depends on circumventing or ignoring privacy.
Since there’s no intelligence in ai stealing people’s work is the only way to “train” them.
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#274At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…
In this brave new world, who would have a sense of ownership and accountable for good decisions, outcomes?
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Conference for the speakers + unlisted livestream on YouTube could handle that, using chat for Q&A.
So, then... you're bound by youtube's TOS, you can't prevent people from getting in (usually via login), and Zoom makes it a nice experience instead of a hack. Oh, and you can also do sub-rooms with Zoom, which has some applications in these types of meetings.
They don't actually suggest using YouTube. The point is just to illustrate that this is a very common and relatively simple concept. There are tons of tools able to accomplish this.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#276It seems to me that every ‘AI’ effort I see today utterly depends on circumventing or ignoring privacy.
I like the part where the reason the US keeps allowing it is that "if we don't, China will", as if China has access to the same flood of data that US FAANG companies and contenders like Zoom have access to every second of every day. Sure, at the government level it has access to the same data as everyone else, but that firewall's still there, can't have an AI trained on data that might give a more worldly view on mat…
Even china isnt silly enough to record people’s conversations to “train” ais. Corporate dictatorships have truly overtaken communist dictatorships.
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#277Wouldn't it be easier to just have a banner "all your meetings are belong to us"?
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#278I do therapy and group therapy on Zoom, are they going to train a therapist AI? Does this go around HIPAA privacy rules? Would they keep a file on phi?
The ToS clearly says all "Customer Content/Customer Input" AKA your words, text, voice, face, etc can be used for "Product and Services Development" which could as easily be a facial recognition database, an FBI-style database of dirt on individuals, or literally anything else before it's an AI.
ToS can't negate HIPAA or any other laws that could potentially be violated though.
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#279Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!
What I take to be the TOS for Google Meet (it's a little hard to tell!) makes no specific reference to AI, but does mention use of customer data for "developing new technologies and services" more generally. https://policies.google.com/terms#toc-permission
Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot. Once we do have AGI, and it chooses to embark upon a large project, would it prefer to just do it all itself, or would it prefer to spawn independent agents to take responsibility for each part of the project, which would then need to periodically meet to coordinate? If the latter, I do expect something not too dissimilar from current office meetings. But if…
The way humans communicate is ineffective. The most likely scenario is that there will be different systems that AGI integrates with to do the job. AGI itself will be a distributed system that scales horizontally so it will be a single huge entity with lots of interfaces.
The only reason human communication is ineffective is because it's slow. If an AI can read/write 1000s of words per second there's no reason it shouldn't use natural language to communicate.