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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by hnthrowaway8860 »

passion__desire wrote: post #244
deno wrote: post #142

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You have to provide authentic image with your image for it to validate, just as you have to supply any intermediate certificates in TLS. If you want to crop to hide information you have to do this while taking the photo in the camera app. Powerful entity can tell you to install their root certificate just like it happens in China. This is a different problem.

Just to provide some context : The reason people believe this particular doctored (or AI enhanced) image "could be true" is because this "toolkit approach" has been employed by the Left Wing in India. The Right Wing in India regularly points it out on Twitter. So if both sides are slinging mud, its race to the bottom for the getting lowest common denominator on their side. I sometimes wish why can't we unbundle these…

> I sometimes wish why can't we unbundle these left vs right issues and decide stuff case by case.

That's the opposite of what we should do. If you do case by case then people will always find reasons why it's no big deal if "their" side did it while it's really bad when the other side did it.

No, we need to universally condemn this. No matter who did it and when and how. This is lying and propaganda, and it's bad even if I agree with the ends. But the means are to be condemned by everybody.

Kind of the dual to "I disagree with what you are saying but I'll fight for your right to say it." It's now "I agree with what you are trying to achieve but I'll fight against the way in which you are trying to achieve it."

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Post by macintux »

grecy wrote: post #196
capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

Why do people care about Twitter at all? It doesn't matter what people say on 4chan or fox "news", why is twitter any different? It's all just opinions, not worth anyone's time. Ignore it.

The media we ignore still can have a huge impact on society, on elections, on basic human civility. Ignoring Fox News hasn’t made it any less damaging.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 »

sbmthakur wrote: post #225
throwaway384629 wrote: post #182

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Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly. >> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill: "The laws would have deregulated a system…

Stubble burning was long banned but it's still being practiced and contributes to Delhi's pollution. In fact, one of the demands of the farm protests was to release those who were arrested for stubble burning[1]. > Again, wrong. The 2022 Indian presidential election was held on 18 July 2022 to elect the president of India. It's not a general election. Only MPs and MLAs get to vote for the president. > Source please?…

Looks like you are trying to respond to be without understanding the topic first and your above comment does not relate.

My reply was to this comment which said:

1. "The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill"

2. "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party"

Can you please let me know how any of above 2 statements are correct?

Also, to your other comment: >> There's a reason why Meta, Google and Aramco want to pour money into the country.

Companies like Meta, Google and Aramco invest and try to invest in all the counties for their own growth. This is also to target the huge population of India. These companies also invested in China, that does not make China any better. Can you please share a source for "infrastructure growth and economic policies have caught pace"?

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Post by throwaway384629 »

shri_krishna wrote: post #207
dagmx wrote: post #193

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The sheer amount of hubris in your post is astounding. So any opinion other than your own is propaganda fed by the west, but the only true reality is the one you agree with that paints India in a flattering light. Using “the world happiness index” as some kind of gotcha propaganda is hilarious, when we’re discussing actual issues like arresting protestors. Just ridiculous. I won’t be replying again to you because I d…

> The sheer amount of hubris in your post is astounding. Good to know you consider the World Happiness Index 2023 as hubris. We can finally agree on something. > I won’t be replying again to you because I don’t think you are capable of accepting that other people disagree with your world view Funny how you believe "I don’t think you are capable of accepting that other people disagree with your world view" and in the…

>> The West is so pristine it doesn't arrest protesters at all. Nor do Government agencies kill people randomly. Nor does it indulge in assassinations...

Classic Example of whataboutery.

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Post by kloc »

This account has been constantly submitting anti ruling party articles to demean India. Nothing in the article or proof otherwise which indicates that this was done by the rulling party. A lot of other articles submitted by this "throwaway" account are also questionable.

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Post by Varqu »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #216
Varqu wrote: post #50

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I think the primary issue is that, while internet users usually question the authenticity of photos (as a normal practice), they tend to subconsciously trust what they see in videos. It will require a significant mental shift to now question practically every single piece of audiovisual content.

I used to think this problem would solve itself, in that once people were fooled a few times, they'd stop being so easy to fool. The Trump era shut down that quaint idealistic notion. Turns out a lot of people -- maybe all of us to some extent -- actively enjoy being fooled. It makes for a communal experience that we'd otherwise miss out on, or something.

Yeah, the problem is that it's surprisingly easy to fall for the fake if it re-affirms your world view.

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Post by tsss »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58
pjc50 wrote: post #38

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That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

They have always been crooks. Just because lying has become even easier doesn't mean that there is no truth.

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Post by tsss »

notjulianjaynes wrote: post #227
jahewson wrote: post #209

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> Now they look more like prophets. Not to me. They just look like another group claiming grand and sweeping theories of truth.

That's somewhat ironic since "postmodernism is an intellectual stance or mode of discourse characterized by skepticism toward the 'grand narratives' of modernism."[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

Postmodernism is ironic exactly because it is such a "grand narrative" that it is supposedly trying to avoid.

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Post by actionfromafar »

NoRelToEmber wrote: post #214
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #179

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I have a suggestion for the word to describe the current situation in the US: Agitprop. It's not just blatant, obvious lies. It's lies *designed to agitate people". I mean, the goal is "media engagement" (and secondarily, "political engagement"), but that comes downstream from getting everybody stirred up.

There are 330 million people in the US, and 1.4 billion in India. You don't need lies for agitprop - such numbers will furnish you with enough real incidents to drive whatever narrative you wish, if you're in a position to pick what gets publicity. Cherrypicking. I'm sure you can think of a few recent examples.

That’s some kind of meta-lying, too. By cherrypicking, you are implicitly saying, “these are the issues of our times, why would I else present this important issue”

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Post by stale2002 »

pmontra wrote: post #126
deno wrote: post #104

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I take an authentic image with a camera, crop out the part of it that it's not aligned with my goals, put a reference to the authentic image. How do you get the authentic image to compare it with my edit? And how do you solve the problem of a powerful entity telling you that the cropped image is authentic, or there will be consequences? People know what's going on, they bend for fear of breaking. No technology is cha…

> I take an authentic image with a camera, crop out the part of it that it's not aligned with my goals

If it is cropped, then it would not be provably authentic. So anyone seeing it, could see that it is modified.

> how do you solve the problem of a powerful entity telling you that the cropped image is authentic

Well, because you can check. You verify the image yourself, see that it is not authenticated, and then you know.

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