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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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> It seems like you're holding Tesla to a higher standard than any other automaker. Other automakers don't go and scream around in their advertising (or in the antics of their founder) to the degree Tesla does.

Tesla doesn't do any advertising. I mean, they have a website, but you have to go look at it.

Here's a Tesla ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfMtONBK8dY

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Don't know that it's a fallacy, it's more that the question you ask is impossible to answer - it's impossible to have a number for how many crashes were prevented. But we do have a number for crashes caused by. So we work off of that - if Telsa want's to argue they are safer, I'd love for them to devise some way to prove it, but I can't see that happening.

Forbes did this with stats. They concluded autopilot was not causing accidents. https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2020/10/28/new-te...

It seems like comparing AP to anything but regular cruise control miles is not very fair and is going to inflate its safety.

From that link, it's pretty bad if it's not even clearly better at general "highway miles" than when it's off because people are least likely to use it at the times that are much more dangerous generally, such as merging onto and off the freeway.

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Other car companies e.g. Lucid, BMW have better technology in other areas. And why would anyone bother with custom ML SOC when you can just partner with Nvidia like Rivian, Mercedes etc.

Because maybe there's some advantage to be had by reducing dependencies when you can afford to? And maybe they value SOC expertise, since they do other tech besides cars?

And when they outsource it people will say they're just focusing on core competencies. The great thing is businesses can use a magic 8-ball to make business decisions and someone will laud the results as a good move.

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in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

if you think about the speeds involved, a single additional car in front of you on the freeway (or even any additional cars) adds pretty miniscule time to the total commute. Let's compare a few situations. In the baseline you're tailing the car in front of you with a focus on not letting anyone cheat and get in front of you, let's say 50 feet away. Your commute is 30 miles, and in this frictionless sphere of traffic…

It is not about efficiency or trying not to be slow. I am not bothered how many people cut in line or "cheat".[1]

Someone will always keep cutting into the space. It is impossible to maintain 3 second to the car ahead. First one car will cut in, you make room for them and add 3 second gap the next car will cut in. Maintaining even a 1 second gap is sometimes very hard close to exits.

[1] Personally my driving pattern changed once I switched to driving a hydrogen fuel cell Mirai, slower is better on the mileage and fuel cell owners are very range conscious.

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in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

That's fine. You lose like .5 seconds of your life when another car comes in front of you.

It doesn't stop with one, the problem is not someone cut across, the problem is someone always keeps squeezing in the gap. Every time you open a gap, a new car cuts across. How can you maintain any gap in that context ?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

"FOSS self-driving cars" is a dream so bold I dare not dream it. In some other timeline, we have had an "internet of roads" built on cooperative standards. Instead we have trendy death-traps that make fart noises sold as status symbols.

There’s a company called comma that has something close.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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When a Toyota hid an “unintended acceleration” bug, it was a scandal that resulted in a $1.2B fine. https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-...

Every customer complaint about unintended acceleration of Teslas was proven in court to be the fault of the customer confusing the pedals. The accelerator pedal has two independent sensors measuring input - they both have to agree, and no input on the brake pedal must be detected for the vehicle to accelerate. They go a step further. They use their cameras to detect the environment and significantly slow down acceler…

> Every customer complaint about unintended acceleration of Teslas was proven in court to be the fault of the customer confusing the pedals.

Reference, please? Are you referring to a specific complaint, or truly "every" customer complaint?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

I think Elon was thinking that was the way to take cars off the road. own many cars with low utilization vs share fewer cars with high utilization.

Personally, I'm surprised that the "Summon" feature wasn't matched by a corresponding "Banish" feature (go away and park yourself)

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