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Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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Or maybe happy for employees 501 through 504 who were on the chopping block, but because Round Numbers Are Nice(tm), got to keep their jobs!

But they went from comfortable but low performers, to literally the worst 5 employees in the company.

There is a number N for each employee where considering the top N employees, they are the worst.

So I wouldn't feel bad about having a "low" rank in deliberately selective sample of humanity.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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Having worked in this industry for two decades (and a Dropbox user since its public launch) the "product strategy" of most of these companies is close to just spitballing. If you want a recent example you can look at Facebook lighting almost $40 billion with their Metaverse product. To add to that, Product leadership at technology companies has evolved to be much less technical, so they aren't going to have any deep…

I'll add my 2c because I'm getting a little annoyed that folks who only have familiarity with Dropbox's consumer offering seem to think they have any idea what they're talking about. In an enterprise, it can be extremely difficult to ensure your permissions are what you want them to be: that people can share things easily with the right groups, but also that sensitive data is not inadvertently exposed. Dropbox in par…

You are exactly right. And to address the concerns about errors made by the machine, we are not looking in my organization to have the machine automatically make decisions on things like access. It would ideally warn us when we've likely done or are about to do something wrong. An auditing tool at least.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…

Dropbox has a problem that's been brewing for a while. As services like Photoshop, Office, and G Suite have moved entirely to the cloud, Dropbox's value proposition is less interesting. Even a decade ago, Box was beating them in the enterprise market. On the consumer side, cloud file storage is a freebie with offerings from Apple, MS, and Google.

I guess they have Paper, but last I used it, it felt like abandonware.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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> You'll also have some time TODAY AND TOMORROW to wrap up and say goodbye to colleagues. As an European, I don't think I will ever get used to the fact that in the US people can be told "go home, you're fired" like that, effective immediately.

The asymmetry between employee and employer is especially troubling to me. The socially expected forewarning for quitting a job is 2 weeks notice. In contrast, it's common for employers to terminate effective immediately. I get that it's technically not a requirement to provide notice when leaving, and this is a direct consequence of at-will employment, but it sure sucks.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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Having worked in this industry for two decades (and a Dropbox user since its public launch) the "product strategy" of most of these companies is close to just spitballing. If you want a recent example you can look at Facebook lighting almost $40 billion with their Metaverse product. To add to that, Product leadership at technology companies has evolved to be much less technical, so they aren't going to have any deep…

Seriously it’s embarrassing how leadership in many companies has ZERO vision for AI right now. Too focused on buying houses, drinking wine and riding horses. I think these people need to retire already.

Snark aside, this is something that's always kind of baffled me.

If I built a company and eventually found myself in extremely high value (ie, 9 figures), I'd be looking to retire ASAP. That would be it. I won capitalism. Time to spend the rest of my life on Maui sipping Mai-Tais on the beach.

Why anybody would want to continue to work when they already have enough wealth to live an extremely lavish lifestyle without working ever again is beyond me.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…

LoL - you won't need files in the future. ChatGPT will just generate your documents on the fly from prompts you memorize.

> ChatGPT will just generate your documents on the fly from prompts you memorize.

These generated documents are presumably files? And the long list of prompts would ideally be stored somehow, likely in a file.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…

> Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatgpt released, and then laying off 16% of your company to.. use ai to store files better? I really don’t see how new ai capabilities lead to big layoffs and new opportunities for Dropbox snark incoming - Imagine thinking you understand the product strategy for a 14 year old, publicly traded company with thousands of employees without working t…

Meta showed us that business pivots don't have to make sense to anyone but the CEO...

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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Why is a digital storage company moving into AI? Personally haven’t used them for at least 5-6 years so I am out of the loop there. Seems like a poor excuse to cut people.

Same reason everyone--even iced tea makers--had to have a crypto story several years ago.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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> In an ideal world, we’d simply shift people from one team to another. And we’ve done that wherever possible. However, our next stage of growth requires a different mix of skill sets, particularly in AI and early-stage product development. We’ve been bringing in great talent in these areas over the last couple years and we'll need even more. Imagine building a company that lets users store files online, seeing chatg…

Compared to my mindset a decade ago I've become so cynical about the whole SV tech scene. There's value there, of course: Dropbox was a fantastic service when it first came out. But these companies are incentivized to keep expanding until they occupy the entire universe. Now Dropbox wants to be my word processor. Next it wants to use AI to touch up my photos or whatever the hell because AI is the New Hot Thing tech c…

You aren't cynical enough. This incentive structure is what keeps us employed and our salaries going up and you should encourage it (assuming you're a laborer). If companies weren't doing this they'd hire to build a product with a minimal feature set and then layoff at a much larger rate once it was done.

In other words, encourage this mindset wherever possible, it's going to be what causes the next wave and spike in demand for SWEs.

Re: Dropbox to reduce global workforce by about 16%, or 500 staff

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post #118

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I'll happily recommend https://syncthing.net/ , it's open source, end to end encrypted, and peer to peer (your machines send files directly to each other).

Searched for the iOS client, first hit answer by the maintainer >I remain unconvinced of the usefulness of the Syncthing sync model on iOS https://forum.syncthing.net/t/syncthing-for-ios/16045/4 So basically it's not an alternative at all to Dropbox

well to those of us, not using iPhone it is*

And to be honest, most of the files I sync, I never access on a phone anyway. So it would still be useful even without Android support.

Not sure how common my setup is, But I have desktop both at home and at work. And I use git and synching, to sync most of the stuff seamlessly. That said I mostly work from home nowadays, so I mostly use my work comp to speed up compilation, or run tests, dockers, databases, etc.

* Not trying to be an asshole. There are plenty of iPhone only app, that I sometimes** wish I could use, so I know how you feel.

** But not too much, otherwise I would switch by now :))

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