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Does that actually matter? Seriously, it's less that some of the text books I used to lug around at school.
Of course not. While not strictly a ThinkPad, IBM used to make some very loud "communication devices" that Americans famously toted around the European continent in the 1940s; the largest batteries available for them still didn't push its weight over 6 pounds. They seemed to manage that just fine. You can carry a computer across the office. That aside, the extended battery on the T480 is still bad- it raises the bott…
I also do all of my development on various ThinkPads I've owned throughout my life: T480, T490, P51.. I like cheap, upgradeable laptops over Macs since: * I can put what I want in them. I don't want to pay Apple 200 euros for 8GB of RAM. * It's not a treasure. I take care of it because it would be annoying to have to replace it, but my wallet wouldn't cry over a cheap second-hand machine * They run Linux well * My P5…
The main advantage is the CPU. The M1/M2 are blazingly fast, and basically never get even warm. I have to _really_ crunch the machine to even hear the faintest hum of the fan. Battery lasts for ever, it's like a phone, charge once a day if that.
The power consumption under load is impressive though (about half).
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How are those the only two conclusions you came up with? If all other independent benchmarks and data points to the 5850U being roughly comparable in performance to the M1 - yet for you it appears to be 5x slower, then surely that suggests an anomalous result, or at the very least, an edge case that is not indicative of real world performance. The third, much more plausible conclusion: - Your testing method/setup is…
Different OS (macOS Ventura vs. Pop-OS), different compiler (LLVM/clang vs. GCC), different storage (internal SSD vs NVMe M.2), different filesystem. Running with full CPU parallelism in both cases, however. In fact the test was biased against the Mac because the M1 MBA was running on battery power and the HP DevOne was plugged in. Still, 5x worse performance at a real-world task that most closely approximates my use…
That does not matter at all for the M1 MBA. So no bias.
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I’ve used T series Thinkpads for years (mostly to mimic the environment of most of my clients), there are definitely better computers out there if you plan to swap out most of the parts. https://frame.work/
Tbh, if I could put the framework's AMD motherboard in my T470, that'd be amazing. I love the thinkpad keyboard, I enjoy the X1E glass touchpad, the T14 Gen2 screen is amazing, my battery life is 13h of work in IDEA, and I got all of it combined for less than 600$. But I really dislike the hardware of the framework :/
No mention of insanely fast NVMe on M1?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/macbook-pro-m2-pro-mac-min...
The upgraded speed is then perfectly adequate, but slower than a standard nvme ssd by a factor 3 or so.
What you are probably thinking of is the RAM instead, which is standard lpddr5 ram but integrated into the chip (i.e. the RAM is not faster, but bandwidth is better). At absolutely ridiculous markup though.
There's nothing new here.
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> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.
I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.
I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
It's been 11 years since Apple first released non-upgradeable laptops. Can we get over it already? If you want a laptop that you can upgrade then don't buy an Apple. If you don't like Apple's ecosystem then don't buy an Apple. This has been the advice for over 10 years now. There's nothing new here.
I do a lot of development work on a tiny Acer with 8GB of RAM and an Atom-class processor. Not fast, but fast enough. I rarely need to wait more than a couple seconds between editing something and seeing the results. And making it impossible to open lots of browser tabs is actually nice for productivity.
Surprised you get downvoted for this comment... I've an insanely powerful (and expensive) laptop from work. But looking back, most of the work I'm actually proud of was done in really cheap laptops. Maybe success is more about being comfortable with the tool you have than having the most expensive tool??
Would I turn down a 4th-gen Xeon or EPYC Genoa workstation if someone offered me one for free? Of course not! In fact, I like retro computing and I wouldn't turn down a TRS-80 (and, in fact, would be delighted to give a home to a VT-230/330 terminal or an ASR-33 teletype).