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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by HDThoreaun »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

> people who this joke was about

This joke was about transphobes. Yes it would be ok to make a joke about 9/11 jokes not being funny while they were still digging people out of the wreckage. Transphobes aren't experiencing trauma.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by brookst »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #150
gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My stand with most (not all) things like this is that intent matters; there are a lot of things (especially with jokes/comedy) where nuance and discernment are key. I disagree with your draconian approach (but I understand where it’s coming from) because I do not think that issues like these should be just swept under the rug.

> My stand with most (not all) things like this is that intent matters Really curious how this applies to infinite, AI generated, content without oversight. Like, what is the “intent” in this Seinfeld example. Can an LLM have “intent”?

A LLM can’t have an intent any more than a car or a bomb or a hammer can.

It’s the intent of the LLM instructor/creator that matters for things like mens rea. And in the case of “no oversight”, that just sounds like typical negligence, like leaving a car in neutral when parking on a hill.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by IncRnd »

ben_w wrote: post #226
coding123 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise. Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. (And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't g…

> I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise.

It was Socrates, who was sentenced to death for impiety towards the gods and for corrupting the youth. Socrates was not an atheist.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by pmarreck »

Pyramus wrote: post #214
version_five wrote: post #161

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This is a great analogy! $ seq -w 9999999

Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?

The output has an element of randomness however. Regenerating the output will give you a different, albeit similar, answer.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by saynay »

indy wrote: post #182
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

Such as Twitch's opinion that this joke was a violation of their TOS, and thus deserving of a temp ban? That opinion seems to be making a lot of people here pretty uncomfortable.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by negidius »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #133
pirate787 wrote: post #112

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Artists are what we call the people who push against the boundaries of majority group-speak and government mandated thinking.

Which is cool and all, great for a democracy etc, but it gets people killed as well if you cross the line with the wrong people [0]. I mean killing is wrong, but so is being a dick. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

That's ridiculous. The Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack is 100% the fault of the terrorists who carried out the attack. They are the only ones who got people killed. The victims did not get anyone killed. Saying or publishing something that someone else finds offensive is not in the same category as violence. It cannot be meaningfully compared. Any violence is infinitely worse than even the most offensive speech.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Levitz »

causi wrote: post #146
anononaut wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?

As dumb as twitch moderation can be, the issue is that you can't possibly task twitch moderation with knowing to which degree an offensive joke is relevant or not. If an AI is set up to spout something-phobic stuff 24/7 surely they are going to ban that, rather than wondering where is the degree of offensiveness that warrants a ban, they just ban when ToS is breached.

At least that's what would make sense, and Twitch moderation is far, FAR from making sense in general, but in this one thing they might be reasonable.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ihateyouall123 »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Comedian here. Yes it is and yes it can be. But live in fear all your life and help push more policy that takes away rights.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by gigaflop »

nigamanth wrote: post #155
mFixman wrote: post #121

Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

The AI should make an episode regarding the world seeing this AI getting banned on twitch. When I read the heading on HN I started laughing out loud in a public place.

I'm more curious what the AI would do if asked to make an apology video.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by classified »

mFixman wrote: post #121

Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

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