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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Macha »

anononaut wrote: post #100
cobertos wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

For a joke generator, making an offensive joke that gets the generator banned from the primary source it uses to reach users seems pretty high up their on the range of negative possible outcomes.

That's the point of the comment, if you were applying AI in more serious scenarios, would this be an AI confidently advising a doctor to overdose a patient, or advising a judge to incarcerate someone based on racist inferences from the set of people currently incarcerated?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by psychphysic »

verytrivial wrote: post #53
d23 wrote: post #5

If you click through to the mirror from the /r/livestreamfail page, the clip actually comes across (to me) as making fun of the people who make those kinds of jokes.

The topic is taboo. I cannot be freely discussed on these platforms regardless of the position taken.

Yeah that's the so called "chilling effect" of these rules.

With the irony being that this joke predicted its own fate. "No one is laughing and you're all gone" shortly before it's #CANCELLED.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ggreer »

LegitShady wrote: post #74
alexb_ wrote: post #12

What is this going to accomplish? Is the robot going to learn from its mistakes? Or is this supposed to be against the programmers for "failing to put in safeguards" or something like that? It's kind of silly - it's not that the robot was bad but that if you keep it on 24/7 it will eventually say something bad. An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

the ban is not to teach, the ban is to remove unwanted content from their platform. If you want to teach, go into teaching, not livestreaming.

If that were true then all ToS violations would result in permanent bans, but that’s not what Twitch or other major platforms do.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by retrac »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #108
brookst wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but it’s ambiguous enough to be poor taste and feel uncomfortable. My first instinct is that Twitch is overreacting, but I can see why they need to be pretty draconian to avoid endless boundary-pushing from jerks.

My stand with most (not all) things like this is that intent matters; there are a lot of things (especially with jokes/comedy) where nuance and discernment are key. I disagree with your draconian approach (but I understand where it’s coming from) because I do not think that issues like these should be just swept under the rug.

> intent matters

Ironically, machines autogenerating Seinfeld-like scripts literally cannot have intent.

We can go a step back to the intent of the creators of the system. I assume the creators did not intend to auto-generate distasteful and/or bigoted jokes. But it's Seinfeld-like. And it seems if it's supposed to generate bad jokes eventually it'll make some mean jokes.

It's something of an interesting thought experiment about intent vs. effect with publication of speech. All effect, no intent.

Prima facie, I can see the logic in treating the operator of the AI legally/socially responsible in the same way as if they had published the material themselves. If you unleash a bot that e.g. goes around writing defamatory book reviews, you should be liable for defamation. But I am not sure.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by oceanplexian »

brookst wrote: post #58
d23 wrote: post #5

If you click through to the mirror from the /r/livestreamfail page, the clip actually comes across (to me) as making fun of the people who make those kinds of jokes.

I agree, but it’s ambiguous enough to be poor taste and feel uncomfortable. My first instinct is that Twitch is overreacting, but I can see why they need to be pretty draconian to avoid endless boundary-pushing from jerks.

Twitch has absolutely no problem with boundary pushing. The ridiculous hot tub streaming drama and the thousands of examples of Twitch preying on children with soft core porn should make that obvious enough.

The problem with Twitch isn’t boundaries, but that they can’t have the wrong people pushing boundaries if you know what I mean.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by causi »

anononaut wrote: post #100
cobertos wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A seemingly innocuous engineering change led to some drastic consequences. Imagine the other more critical production applications who have made the same reasonable engineering decision.

I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by r3trohack3r »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #108
brookst wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but it’s ambiguous enough to be poor taste and feel uncomfortable. My first instinct is that Twitch is overreacting, but I can see why they need to be pretty draconian to avoid endless boundary-pushing from jerks.

My stand with most (not all) things like this is that intent matters; there are a lot of things (especially with jokes/comedy) where nuance and discernment are key. I disagree with your draconian approach (but I understand where it’s coming from) because I do not think that issues like these should be just swept under the rug.

> My stand with most (not all) things like this is that intent matters

Really curious how this applies to infinite, AI generated, content without oversight.

Like, what is the “intent” in this Seinfeld example. Can an LLM have “intent”?

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