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Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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Re: Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

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For a few things (the one thing I'm familiar with is the lock screen if you've left the "show random pretty pictures" option turned on, but I think there are a few more places besides that) Microsoft does force links to open in Edge instead of the default browser.

- Any links from many Microsoft apps (including searches in the Start Menu that silently turn into web searches) - PDFs (sometimes, even if you don't have Edge set as your default PDF app) (even though Edge is actually the least unusable non-paid PDF viewer for Windows) Besides that, Edge will randomly reset itself as the default on updates.

For PDFs you should try this bad boy https://github.com/sumatrapdfreader/sumatrapdf

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They're right, recently I've installed some Windows update for my parents and I had to reject like 5 suggested changes - installing Office trial, switching default browser to Edge yet again, and more. But this goes way beyond the browsers - I've never explicitly installed Keychain on my iphone and yet it shows as an option next to 1password every time I fill in a password field. Google calendar asks me to install an…

You can remove the 'iCloud' notification by starting the setup for it, and then cancelling. It's a dark pattern Apple repeats with a lot of notifications - they are not dismissible and give the appearance they are only resolvable by completing the notified request, but it actuality just starting the setup and then cancelling will resolve it.

It’s a straight up manipulation of people who don’t know the trick. They should be shamed for it

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I don't know... everything works so well on linux out of the box nowadays, and over time you can setup everything exactly as you want. As an engineer I feel like it's a great investment and loving my setup has a big impact on the enjoyment I get from work. If you spend the time, can all the annoying stuff be turned off in Windows?

A couple of days ago, I give a very brief workshop of Arduino. All the students with Linux boxes have some kind of problems, like the user was not a member of the dialout group or the group does not exist at all. I still prefer Linux, but no everything works "out of the box".

> All the students with Linux boxes have some kind of problems, like the user was not a member of the dialout group or the group does not exist at all. I still prefer Linux, but no everything works "out of the box".

This (requiring elevated privileges) is a very niche thing, though (raw access to the serial port).

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And yet Brave has been "Growing 2x for the Fifth Year in a Row". Mozilla should stop whining and focus on building a browser that regular non technical people also want to use. How can I recommend Firefox to a family member when it absolutely chokes on 4k videos on YouTube and makes the laptop sound like a rocket lifting off (macOS, older intel MBP, Chromium based browsers work without a hitch and barely spin fans)?…

> Mozilla should stop whining and focus on building a browser that regular non technical people also want to use.

This, they're right you know.

Mozilla has being whining for years despite living off of Google's money and even with that they are still complaining and more websites are continuing to require Chromium browsers over using Firefox for their sites as they know the site breaks with Firefox.

That's why little to no one is using it. Like when you have the choice of Linux distros, you have the many choices of Chromium browsers and it seems that Brave is the recommended one.

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Regarding keychain for password filling, you can choose to disable it in the settings -> passwords -> options. It’s selected by default but if you tap it it will deselect it.

It would be nice if it disabled itself when another password manager is installed...

There are people who have their personal passwords in iCloud Keychain, and have work credentials/keys in 1Password.

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It would be nice if it disabled itself when another password manager is installed...

Or at least asked you outright when installing a new one; "Please choose a default app to perform this function: Password Management" and then show you a list of currently installed ones (+ the newly installed one of course)…

Problem is, lots of users have work and personal passwords in different apps.

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Keychain is opt-in, users choose wether they want to use it or not when configuring their iPhone for the first time.

Not in my experience. I never turn it on (because I want to use Bitwarden), but Safari always offers to save passwords unless I manually disable it.

There are three different things here:

- The keychain is an essential part of macOS and iOS; if an application wants to securely save data then that is the interface it uses. This is not optional because a huge proportion of applications would break if it were removed.

- iCloud Keychain is the feature of iCloud that syncs your keychain to iCloud. iCloud itself is opt-in, and this particular feature of iCloud is opt-in as well, I think, or at the very least optional even if you use iCloud.

- Safari has a built-in password manager, like every other browser these days. This saves to the keychain, whether that’s synced or not.

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