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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by maxmamis » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:02 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #247

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> It becomes clear that the black blue fairy was put there to check a box The movie is in English, using exclusively non-Italian actors , which in itself is checking a box. What difference does it make if they cast another non-Italian actor to play a role?

> What difference does it make if they cast another non-Italian actor to play a role? Who said anything about being Italian? I've only quoted the author words (Collodi) The fairy is pale white not because she is a white person, but because she's pure. Pale white skin is not an Italian trait, so I don't understand what Italianness has to do with anything. If anything, the fact that she is pale white makes her obviousl…

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Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by ubercore » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #224

kthejoker2 wrote: post #201

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I mean ... she's a fairy, not a human .. what does her skin have to do with the time period or place in which she appeared? And there's literally zero reason to insist that Collodi's description is the only way a fairy character can be portrayed in a staged version of his book. The real problem is getting upset over the skin color of the actors and actresses playing fairies (or stormtroopers or elves or angels or for…

> she's a fairy, not a human .. what does her skin have to do with the time period or place in which she appeared? I mean, why can't we have a viking Black Panther and put Wakanda near Iceland? > The real problem is getting upset over the skin color of the actors and actresses playing fairies No one is upset for that, I, as Italian, am upset that some writer thinks that Collodi's story needed to be changed in ways th…

I want the best actor for a role, not one with the right skin color. You can hedge around the skincolor issue all you want, but that's the basis for your complaint.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by account-5 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

towaway15463 wrote: post #250

account-5 wrote: post #218

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I've watched one episode of TRoP and don't mind it. I attempted long ago to read the silmarillon but got bored so I've no vested interest in the book/base material. I dont care whether a white character in a book or comic is played by a black/brown person, or the other way round really. But I am baffled by the reactions they get. You always get the same reaction, people with the same coloured skin as the fictional ch…

Off topic, no one here is complaining about skin colour,

Are we reading the same thread?

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by Ekaros » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #261

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #224

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> she's a fairy, not a human .. what does her skin have to do with the time period or place in which she appeared? I mean, why can't we have a viking Black Panther and put Wakanda near Iceland? > The real problem is getting upset over the skin color of the actors and actresses playing fairies No one is upset for that, I, as Italian, am upset that some writer thinks that Collodi's story needed to be changed in ways th…

> The pale white skin is a well known proxy for ethereal/angelic beings In European and European derived culture...

Chinese seem to be quite a fans too of white jade like skinned beauties...

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

keepper wrote: post #241

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #228

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> It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. if you don't see a problem in changing someone else's literature and culture (I am Italian and have read Pinocchio since I was a kid) than you probably don't know what respect for different cultures is. I would never think of a movie were Kunta Kinte is Dutch and is portrait by Chris…

So you’re now equating a pseudo historical character with a children’s book? Oh brother… I was not born in Italy, but I am of Italian descent btw. Not sure why that matters, but it probably does to you :-/ Also, I guess you mean only true northern Italians can play the character lol why don’t you phrase it like that as well. See how absurd it sounds?

> So you’re now equating a pseudo historical character with a children’s book?

So you're not aware that Pinocchio is a metaphorical book about Italian society and the need for free, universal, public schools in Italy?

> only true northern Italians

"true northern Italians" do not exist.

They are like any other Italian.

It is absurd to think the contrary.

Probably even "Italian" as a distinct ethnicity doesn't exist.

Collodi is part of our culture, the blue fairy is part of our culture, we don't identify with her because she's white, but because she's good.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by dogma1138 » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

BrainVirus wrote: post #77

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Based on what exactly? If anything the only complaint you can make is that the 2 episodes we got so far just dragged out the world building way too much. We had almost 2 and a half hours of content and it doesn’t seem we’re even done with the introduction to the gang that would become fellowship of the rings ;)

>Based on what exactly? Maybe you should read some negative reviews on IMDB to find out? Oh, sorry, I forgot. They all got deleted. Hence lies the problem.

I was asking the GP, Ive watched the first 2 episodes and I really don’t see an objective reason for ranking it below a 5 or so based on the current showing we had.

I also don’t particularly see any wokeness being peddled.

The problem isn’t wokeness it’s lazy and bad writing e.g. SheHulk which is just cringe as fuck.

I swear if the original trilogy would’ve come out today people would claim that the “I am no man” line was peddling wokeness despite the fact that it’s exactly how it played out in the book with the only change being the omission of living before man.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by oblio » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

keepper wrote: post #216

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #167

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> Contrast Galadriel who acts like a self righteous dickhead with Aragorn who was reluctant to accept his calling spent and three movies proving himself to be worthy of honor and love You mean three books, right? The difference here is that Aragorn was written by Tolkien, this show wasn't and has completely betrayed the original material. Race or gender swaps are not a big issue, but they become one if the purpose is…

>Another example is the new Disney's Pinocchio, were the Blue Fairy is portrait by a black woman. The problem is not that she is black of course. but that the original story is set in Italy, Tuscany, mid 1800, were no black woman was ever seen It’s quite clear that that is YOUR problem. It’s funny when people like yourself claim “I’m not X” while then clear laying the case. And for the récord, i hope you open up a ge…

> There’s been black people in Italy for pretty much all it’s history. You may want to also read a few history books. (Black moors, Alessandro de' Medici, etc )

I hate this argument because it's disingenuous. It's in great part a lie and undermines the push for diversity.

Just because there were 1-2-5-100, in major cities, in countries with populations of millions, didn't make them common and frankly more than a curiosity people would gawk at everywhere except for their immediate residential area.

The vast majority of people until 1900 or so lived and died within 100km from where they were born, most likely a village.

The average Congolese in 1700 died without ever seeing a European or a Chinese person.

The average Chinese in 1700 died without ever seeing an African or European.

The average European in 1700 died without ever seeing an African or Chinese person.

Heck, even today, go to poorer and less developed countries and tell me how many outsiders from far away you see. Moldova, Belarus, Tadjikistan, etc.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by bombcar » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #268

bombcar wrote: post #258

Amazon owns IMDB - they could easily put a “minutes watched” next to each review, and let you sort/filter by that.

And what interesting data point would that give you? "A lot of people watched that" isn't really a metric for the quality of anything.

You could filter out the reviews with less than an hour of view time.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by nicolas_t » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

SSLy wrote: post #237

nicolas_t wrote: post #101

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They didn't seem to delete user reviews for Lightyear made by all the bigots that were offended by having two women kissing in the movie so it seems that there's some preferential treatment for Amazon properties. And deleting negative reviews by bigots at least would be more defensible than deleting negative reviews from fans of Tolkien who take issue with the treatment of the work they love. EDIT: I still haven't se…

what's wrong with the foundation btw?

It's jarringly different from the books. Names are the same and a very few elements are similar but it's really something completely different. In Asimov's work, psychohistory is not about specific heroes or great people changing things but more about the inexorable trend leading to certain outcomes. The repeated sci-fi action scenes don't really match with the original work.

That said, it's not a bad show if you watch it not having read the books. There are some decent original ideas, I liked the idea of the genetic dynasty. But, it's not Asimov's foundation, it's so different that it can hardly be said to be inspired by it. So, I wouldn't be complaining about it if it had a different name. Taking a series of well beloved books and deciding to so loosely adapt them that the end results has almost no relationship to the books feels disrespectful to me though.

Re: IMDB deleted all negative user reviews for The Rings of Power

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Post by unknownus3r » Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

I wouldn’t have given it 1-star maybe 3-4/10. The visual effects, costumes, landscapes are incredible, it may be worth watching for those alone. Everything else is basically syfy tier garbage. The whole point of LOTR was that it was this quixotic tale of good vs evil where the good guys were incredibly faithful to their quest and to each other (aside from boromir). It had this almost childlike idealism but you wanted it to be real and to believe and it somehow felt plausible. It was incredibly well written.

This show didn’t have the source material to pull dialogue from and so they come up with these ridiculous boat and rock analogies that are laughably stupid. Aside from that, most of the show is boring. The entire second episode for Galadriel was pointless. The hobbits are annoying, the soap opera romance between the Persian girl and the black elf is excruciating, really the dwarves are the only fun and well acted part of the episode.

The elves have no majesty. In LOTR, the elves were always this demigod-like beings who move and act with supernatural grace but in this they just seem like rich people.

It just isn’t LOTR