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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ggpsv »

thfuran wrote: post #259
ggpsv wrote: post #191

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This is term is commonly misused as it originally referred to countries beyond the Cold War's NATO/USSR denominations. Today the parent likely refers to a country in the global south or a "developing" nation. I'm from what used to be a third-world country in the strict sense of term, I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south.

>I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south Meaning what, in the southern hemisphere and not Australia or new Zealand?

It isn't a geographical denomination, but rather socioeconomic and political. Most of the countries in the global south denomination are actually in the northern hemisphere.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by krzyk »

kayoone wrote: post #201
larusso wrote: post #186

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As a German I weep and cry. 25Gbit/s seems so so far off. And I live in a major city. I only get 150Mbit VDSL at the moment. I have no cable connection so one of these to get the theoretical 1Gbit/s download is out of the question.

Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

We have similar situation in Poland. I live in rural area, but quite close to bigger city and enjoy 1Gbps for the last 4 or 5 years.

I wonder how the upgrade might look considering that 10Gbps hardware is quite expensive (and house cabling might need upgrading) and 2.5Gbps/5Gbps is quite new and hard to find router or laptop dock/hub supporting it.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by AdrianB1 »

loudthing wrote: post #169
101008 wrote: post #71

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Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

I’ve never heard someone call their own country a “third world country”. Out of curiosity, which country are you referring to?

Not the person you are asking, but in Eastern Europe we also call our countries "third world"; I learned in the middle school about economic development and classification by that, it was nothing to be ashamed of. Even today being in EU we are considered second class citizens, not a problem with me.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by AndyPa32 »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

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I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

I live in Germany. Enjoying 10 Mbit/s downstrean and 1 Mbit/s upstream. For 30 Euros per month. 80 would be like heaven for me.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by AdrianB1 »

hasty wrote: post #178
404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

On point #1, you can probably do 10Gbps (assuming it's actually Cat5e), as long as it's under 50m or so. If it's just a run inside your house, it's likely well within range.

Nope, it does not work at 10 Gbps; just 5Gbps for short runs (30m) and 2.5Gbps for 100m. I never tried for very short runs (1-5m), but it does not work for 50m at 10 Gbps.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by wombat-man »

goatsi wrote: post #209
dghlsakjg wrote: post #142

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Have you looked at smaller ISPs? I live in rural BC and I'm was able to get 80Mb for $35 using a no-name internet only provider with no contract. If I went with one of the big cable companies I would be paying at least double for the same thing

How is your internet provisioned? Is the no-name ISP building their own infrastructure or are they using the network of a larger one?

I use a local provider in NYC, and I used one in Seattle. I think both of them had some kind of point to point connection on the roof.

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Post by FractalParadigm »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #142
geoka9 wrote: post #130

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I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

Have you looked at smaller ISPs? I live in rural BC and I'm was able to get 80Mb for $35 using a no-name internet only provider with no contract. If I went with one of the big cable companies I would be paying at least double for the same thing

I've looked at the smaller ISPs in my area and they're terrible as far as pricing goes. Both the "major" options are still using Rogers' last-mile infrastructure, they offer poorer customer service (because of the previous point), charge the same or more money for the same level of service and offer no real incentive to switch. Having talked to some techs at TekSavvy, none of the smaller ISPs can offer anything interesting like synchronous speeds over coax/DOCSIS because they have little/no control over how the last-mile infrastructure is run. For that same reason they can't offer anything faster than 1G down either. It all feels like smoke and mirrors, and the CRTC seems to have a vested interest in keeping internet prices sky-high.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by wombat-man »

wereHamster wrote: post #120
mdb31 wrote: post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

25GB/s is overkill, and 640K ought to be enough for anyone. Those quotes age well.

definitely overkill for now. But looks like author had fun setting everything up so why not?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by vetinari »

mdb31 wrote: post #229
oynqr wrote: post #112

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In what world is 10GbE only available for servers?

Without drowning in fan noise? This world... Sure, I guess you can get a Mac Studio, or some other 'workstation' class PC, but your switch will still need to be within a few meters of that endpoint, and it's not going to be very green nor silent. 2.5Gb/s can easily be done with a lot of laptops and workstations these days; 10 Gb/s isn't quite there yet (and 25, 40 and 100Gb/s are definitely in the server-only fiber-o…

> but your switch will still need to be within a few meters of that endpoint, and it's not going to be very green nor silent.

Mikrotik CRS305 (4xSFP+) and CRS309 (8xSFP+) are both passively cooled. They are pretty much silent :) though the blue led takes some tape to be less shiny.

> 10 Gb/s isn't quite there yet

If you really, really need RJ45, look into BCM84891-based transceivers. They still get hot, but not as much as others (according to datasheet, takes 1.6W at 30m and 2W at 80m). I also managed to get stable 10g over 20m Cat5e with them.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by justsomehnguy »

hnlmorg wrote: post #216
baybal2 wrote: post #150

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> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps…

A lot of it is down to those countries being early adopters of telecom infrastructure. It meant when a lot of other countries were wiring up internet for the first time, they weren’t faced with the prospect of having to piggyback existing and aged infrastructure. eg in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

This one and the plain difference in the size.

It is easier to upgrade everything in some Blatic states than in some US cities.

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