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DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Re: DuckDuckGo Removes Pirate Sites and YouTube-DL from Its Search Results

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Post by tag2103 »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #262
antiframe wrote: post #240

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Which search engines are not "shit" in your estimation?

I'm not OP, but I'll weigh in: Google - it's a really good search engine, but obviously biased and doesn't care about your privacy. I use it on my work machine. Brave Search - I'm not sure if another service (like Bing) powers their results, but it works pretty well for my personal use cases.

I switched to Brave Search and generally am pleased. I did notice current events is somewhat lacking. I was searching one of the wildfires in NM yesterday and no dice. Otherwise for general information or more "static" type info I've been pleased.

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Post by canyoudobetter »

DuckDuckGo has a cheat sheet specifically for youtube-dl so it seems quite unlikely they are actively trying to suppress content about youtube-dl:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtubedl%20cheat%20sheet&ia=cheat...

There’s a lot of hate in this thread towards a company trying to do the right thing.

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Post by rglullis »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #261
rglullis wrote: post #257

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> You have to play ball with them or they will simply not be able to produce those things anymore. You say that like it's a bad thing. I wish it was that easy to get them to stop producing all that crap, but it seems that the easier it gets to pirate things, the more cultural garbage they produce.

To be clear here, you're saying that you want all writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, to just stop doing things? Would it make you happy if I just threw out my painting supplies and my clarinet?

If you only paint or play the clarinet to get a paycheck from Disney, yes.

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Post by majewsky »

moffkalast wrote: post #183
jeffbee wrote: post #176

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You're right to be skeptical. They are essentially a client state of Microsoft. Their results come from Bing and they are hosted at Azure. Their privacy policy is just vague enough to not rule out the possibility that Microsoft collects all the stuff that DDG says they don't collect.

They sure sound like a Microsoft shell company. Because nobody that's fully conscious will ever deliberately use Bing they had to get creative and rebrand it with the usual privacy and safety buzzword slogans that VPNs have perfected in the last years.

The most obvious problem with this conspiracy theory is that Bing became available in 2009, but DuckDuckGo was founded one year earlier.

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Post by throwaway82652 »

rglullis wrote: post #273
throwaway82652 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear here, you're saying that you want all writers, researchers, artists, architects, musicians, composers, filmmakers, actors, podcasters, to just stop doing things? Would it make you happy if I just threw out my painting supplies and my clarinet?

If you only paint or play the clarinet to get a paycheck from Disney, yes.

So now we're going back to the central point. Before it sounded like you wanted me to "stop producing". Now from this reply, it sounds like you don't actually care if I stop producing, you're just objecting to me getting paid and demanding payment.

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Post by autoexec »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #191
autoexec wrote: post #121

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> If Duck really collects user data, the moment this is found out, they’re dead It'd take a whistleblower for anyone to ever find out. What are the odds of that happening? I don't think we can count on someone who is being paid by a company to tell us about their actions when their livelihood/gravy train depends on it and they may be opening themselves up to legal problems for coming forward. Not may people have the…

>It'd take a whistleblower for anyone to ever find out. No it won't. If you have a hypothesis you can just test it out. Go submit some fake personal data and then see if it shows up anywhere else. This trick is as old as using a honeypot name or email address to test if a service signs you up for junk mail.

> Go submit some fake personal data and then see if it shows up anywhere else.

this is not a valid test, for a whole lot of reasons. especially not in terms of internet search engines.

One reason for this, is that the specific things you search aren't what's actually valuable. Companies use that data to make guesses about you. It's those guesses, not your specific search terms, that are used to profile you.

So why not just try to get yourself profiled a certain way? Search a bunch of stuff about a specific disease and click a bunch of the links and see if you start getting targeted ads about those diseases? Well, who is to say who sold that data? Was it the search engine, or the websites you clicked on?

Not all the data collected on you is used for targeted ads, and of course even when it is used for ads not all of those targeted ads demonstrate a proven link back to your search teams. If you see an ad for cheap airline tickets maybe it's because you've been searching for stuff about another country, or maybe some algorithm thinks your bipolar and entering a manic phase since they are more likely to buy tickets. Maybe it's just an ad for cheap airline tickets because the airline wants more people to fly right while weather warms. You can't know.

Better ways to test what DDG is doing behind the scenes might be things like get hired there in a central role. Have the government or an independent auditor review their data collection practices.

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

Vladimof wrote: post #67
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #59

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tbh I find it to be better than Google

tbh I find that all search engines are worst then Google was 10 years ago (including Google)

Agreed. Gimme goddamn booleans that work!

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Post by autoexec »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #174
autoexec wrote: post #139

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Here's my take: Duckduckgo could easily be fully owned and operated by some three letter agency. The NSA is already able to go onsite and tap into the data that passes through corporations and they've been doing exactly that for decades (see Room 641A) and they can force corporations to keep silent about it using national security letters. You should already assume that every US based company is sending every scrap o…

DuckDuckGo was never meant to defeat spying by three-letter-agencies. It's meant to protect us from tracking by advertisers. I don't think it makes any sense for a three-letter-agency to run it. They can just NSL duckduckgo. They obey the law, as this news item shows clearly.

I agree. Can't dismiss the possibility since anything advertising itself as a service to protect your privacy could make a very nice honeypot for the state, but there's a market for pro-privacy services that private companies are happy to serve and nothing stopping the state from just taking whatever that want from them anyway.

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Post by rglullis »

throwaway82652 wrote: post #264
rglullis wrote: post #251

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The point is not "consuming things for free", the point is neutering "the Biz". I for one wouldn't mind to lose Hollywood as an industry , or Broadway, or Silicon Valley... All of these industries are way too big and over-influential in all aspects of our lives, and leave us without any chance of a more human-scale alternative to counteract. I mean, how many TV networks are owned by Disney? Do you really think that a…

This makes no sense. Disney is not stopping you from making your own home movies. You can even put them on YouTube or any of the other alternatives. There's actually lots of good criticisms of Disney, but you didn't mention any of them.

It's not about my own movies that don't get made.

It's about all the other movies that don't get to be financed because of the 19th re-hash of Star Wars (or Marvel movie, or live-action remake of Lion King/Aladdin/Pocahontas/Dumbo/Bambi) that is going to be released and it's "guaranteed" to make another billion dollars in the box office.

It's about having two small kids who get bombarded with products from their franchises on every media outlet.

It's about them using their movies and works to promote whatever ideological propaganda that gets them in favor with government.

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Post by Multicomp »

mastazi wrote: post #170
t0bia_s wrote: post #106

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There are so many issues with DDG, but nobody cares [1]. Idea of having privacy focused search engine is strong. Then use kagi or searX. [1] https://lemmy.ml/post/31321

Can you provide a TL;DR of the article? I'm a DDG user but open to considering alternatives, never heard of kagi and tried searX a long time ago. Currently, whenever DDG doesn't cut it, I add the !sp bang and get Google results through StartPage. I know that SP is owned by an advertising company but I still prefer them to straight up Google. I tried using searX to get proxied Google results but it required a few extr…

I use kagi as it still uses all of the ddg !bangs, and at some point they will ask me to pay for them (they are in free beta ATM) rather than show me ads which I'm excited for.
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