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TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by voakbasda »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #241
vkat wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copy/paste without attribution to license or permission is more blatant.

Organizationally he was given free reign to do whatever he wanted, and that lead to the entire teams downfall. He canceled code reviews... for himself. Well, he actually stated, all code reviews go through him, thus he "code reviewed" his own code. I remember he was once a few weeks late on delivering a basic landing page, and when it finally got to QA at 9pm on a Friday, our entire team was forced to work the weeken…

Maybe hired by a competitor to tank the company intentionally? I would not put it past many big companies to do something like that.

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Post by ihaveajob »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #241
vkat wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copy/paste without attribution to license or permission is more blatant.

Organizationally he was given free reign to do whatever he wanted, and that lead to the entire teams downfall. He canceled code reviews... for himself. Well, he actually stated, all code reviews go through him, thus he "code reviewed" his own code. I remember he was once a few weeks late on delivering a basic landing page, and when it finally got to QA at 9pm on a Friday, our entire team was forced to work the weeken…

That takes some skill. I was almost duped like that by someone we nearly hired for a sales position, which is much easier to fake for a few months, especially working remote.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by simplestats »

vineyardmike wrote: post #233
duped wrote: post #222

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I don't like the idea of gatekeeping, it's hard enough to hire people. In the US we don't really have licensing for engineers (there is PE, but it's not anything close to ubiquitous). I think it's one of the best parts of our engineering/tech culture. You're an engineer based on the skills you employ to solve the problems you do, not because some body of people gave you a slip of paper that says you can employ those…

In the US, PE has made it so the word “engineer” is legally protected, like “doctor”. No one enforces it for software, so I wonder if it’s even enforceable anymore. But the law is there.

In some fields of engineering PE is pretty nonexistent. Some people come from other degrees (like math, physics) and call themselves engineer without difficulty. But engineering fields require a much more narrow and deep set of skills. generally the key classes to learn those skills come at the end of three or four years of prerequisite classes, so it's a pretty high barrier to starting without doing the degree.

In programming you can learn your way to advanced skills while getting paid. Once you know roughly one class worth of basics there's valuable contributions you can make, at least if you are decent at figuring things out on a computer.

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Post by fhfhrhfjfjfhfh »

8ytecoder wrote: post #244
vkat wrote: post #227

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In all the enterprise companies I worked for we are drilled with required learning and assessments which often include training on software licenses. The aim of these training is devs to keep an eye for license and defer to someone higher up if in doubt. These processes are manual and catch only so much. In companies with mature software processes there is always tooling that will block a release if it finds unaccept…

Enterprises of even modest size take it very seriously. They’ll be juicy targets to go after. It’s everything between startups to midsize companies where this is not clearly defined. Just ask the VCs who do due diligence. Almost everyone of them will audit your licenses before they invest. One of the things they ask for is the list of libraries you use and their licenses.

Helo Eros sacke

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Post by dnautics »

hhh wrote: post #130
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #114

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Common misconception, but Software Engineer is actually a licensed profession in many states (with vague industry exemptions): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering_professio... But virtually nobody does it. The NCEES even abandoned their Software Engineer licensing exam a few years ago because nobody was taking it.

Lightly glancing it seems like there are hard requirements for a college education for some of these. That’s a hard-stop for many (including myself.)

yeah, that's fine. You should call yourself a software developer (or, as I call myself, a software plumber). An software engineer, minimally IMO, is someone who can 1) produce a software BOM, and 2) can craft an SLA. I can maybe do 1, and can't do 2. So, I don't call myself a software engineer.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by voakbasda »

tata71 wrote: post #167
hhh wrote: post #130

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Lightly glancing it seems like there are hard requirements for a college education for some of these. That’s a hard-stop for many (including myself.)

Even if you had a degree, working in this field should teach you it's not a requirement.

This does not deserve to be downvoted. A degree is secondary to actual talent. Too many students in my graduating class were undeserving of their degree, and plenty of folks can do the job without it.

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by paulryanrogers »

endisneigh wrote: post #55

People expecting OBS to get millions from this are naïve. Almost certainly TikTok will change the software to just use OBS independently to avoid the issue. If OBS wants money they should use a dual license.

And yet it could be argued that TikTok saved millions they'd otherwise have had to pay to produce or license equivalent software.

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Post by hkalbasi »

jackTheMan wrote: post #146
ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #126

At this point, would it even hurt TikTok to open source their code? The network effect and user profiles are their moat, not their codebase.

if they remove all surveillance stuff.. maybe not

Isn't (important part of) surveillance stuff on the server side?

Re: TikTok streaming software is an illegal fork of OBS

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Post by indymike »

vineyardmike wrote: post #233
duped wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the idea of gatekeeping, it's hard enough to hire people. In the US we don't really have licensing for engineers (there is PE, but it's not anything close to ubiquitous). I think it's one of the best parts of our engineering/tech culture. You're an engineer based on the skills you employ to solve the problems you do, not because some body of people gave you a slip of paper that says you can employ those…

In the US, PE has made it so the word “engineer” is legally protected, like “doctor”. No one enforces it for software, so I wonder if it’s even enforceable anymore. But the law is there.

Hate using this preface, but, unpopular opinion follows: The issue in the US is that the word engineer has been in common use to describe technical workers for a very long time. I've had friends who were:

* Engineers (and operated trains) * Manufacturing Engineers (who were really equipment techs) * Sanitary Engineers (who were really trash truck drivers) * UX Engineers (who were really web designers) * Software engineers (programmers) * Data Engineers (kind of dba-ish, maybe) * Culinary Engineer (restaurant kitchen designer)

Genericide has occurred. The boat sailed.

When the real estate industry wanted a word for "licensed seller of property" they had to make up a new word "Realtor" and protect that with a certification mark. The engineering industry really needs to do the same thing instead of harrassing the garbage truck driver, computer programmers and the guy who fixes the conveyor belt.

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