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Post by mushbino »

foerbert wrote: post #237
bildung wrote: post #213

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> Those claims pose a grave threat directly to global shipping and to regional fishing and mining rights, and indirectly to the largely peaceful maritime waters status quo globally. European here, so this may be caused by selective reporting in different regions of the world, but here news is equally often about US military presence in the South China Sea. Looking at a globe and seeing the distance between US homelan…

My understanding is that when it comes the US maneuvers in international waters of the South China Sea, the purpose is actually defensive. Part of international maritime law determining the owner of waterways includes considerations for actual control of areas. By navigating international waters against China's wishes, the US is demonstrating to the international community that China does not control access to those…

Is it purely a coincidence that it's right around the time the US is losing hegemony in that part of the world to China? How would the US react if China sent ships to secure the waters between the US and Mexico.

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Post by newsclues »

Ekaros wrote: post #242
newsclues wrote: post #57

So much censorship on the internet but the government can’t keep top secret projects from leaking?

Censoring things outside kicking people out of platform is not exactly simple problem. Specially images of objects. The data for sufficient ML to censor things would likely be bigger issue than leaks themselves.

If they have surveillance program for the whole internet, they kick presidents off Twitter and censor YouTube videos, isn’t it pointless to spy on all Americans if you can’t keep top secret stuff off tic tock?

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Post by analognoise »

4ggr0 wrote: post #233
analognoise wrote: post #219

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Communists don't have a great reputation for peace.

I wonder why the bad things the US does internationally never get blamed on capitalism, yet when people write or vent about China it's always about these darn Communists. Are these after-effects of the red scare? China is an authoritarian dictatorship with their own flavour of communism I guess. Blaming everything they do on commmunism as a whole is very uninformed.

Have there ever been peaceful communists who ran a country?

Add that to the tankies I've met personally and their beliefs, and yeah, communism sucks.

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Post by fakedang »

kbenson wrote: post #93
baybal2 wrote: post #73

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Even if they don't share, it is a piece of spyware they have on their phone, called Google Android. I believe PLA uses its assets within Google, and other American dotcoms to the fullest extend, and they already pulled every info they can through their Android Store accounts on them. Even a running meme of spy agency, the Saudi Army intel wing managed to have their men operate within Google for years. Imagine now wha…

Yes. Don't allow smartphones around top secret facilities? That seems a sane precaution. Or require them be vetted.

Once upon a time (7-8 years ago), they would issue govt-vetted smartphones to even subcontractors. Wonder how that culture changed....

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Post by supportlocal4h »

HWR_14 wrote: post #254
publicola1990 wrote: post #163

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But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

> Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Or the close neighborhood of the Philippines, a major US ally with a mutual defense pact. Or Taiwan, a major US ally and trading partner. Or Vietnam, a growing trading partner. There are ongoing disputes between and among those groups. A huge amount of shipping goes through the South China Sea, including most oil for S. Korea, Japan and the…

> Meanwhile, China has been aggressively expanding its influence worldwide, in South America, Africa and Afghanistan.

In contrast to the U.S.? When other countries did this in the past and present, it was ok, but not for China? The U.S. can invade and occupy countries on the other side of the world, but it's aggressive for China to occupy an unoccupied island off its own coast?

I'm not thrilled with China's behavior, but the U.S. needs to stand down until they can act from the high moral ground. They have a lot of work to do to rebuild a working compass. Until then, nobody can trust their navigation.

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Post by z3ncyberpunk »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #195
blunte wrote: post #69

But in these (dis?)information games, it wouldn't be difficult to setup a fake scenario like this just to make one's opponents feel really underpowered. Imagine the fun of building a nice cool futuristic mockup, putting in on a trailer, and then leaking it to tiktok. It would cost so little and be so fun. This is obviously comical speculation, but anything is possible.

Tricking your adversary into spending a huge R&D budget studying ESP is money well wasted: it’s unlikely to yield anything of value that can be weaponized against you. If a SciFi weapon would break the laws of physics, and you can prove the equations unsolvable, leaking documents suggesting you solved them is money well wasted: your adversary is unlikely to get anything of value out of pursuing that weapon. Pretendin…

It's like you're an entire comment forgot the Cold war existed, we're both sides extensively studied ESP and psychic abilities and repeatedly tried to out bluff each other with various technologies.

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Post by supportlocal4h »

analognoise wrote: post #273
4ggr0 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why the bad things the US does internationally never get blamed on capitalism, yet when people write or vent about China it's always about these darn Communists. Are these after-effects of the red scare? China is an authoritarian dictatorship with their own flavour of communism I guess. Blaming everything they do on commmunism as a whole is very uninformed.

Have there ever been peaceful communists who ran a country? Add that to the tankies I've met personally and their beliefs, and yeah, communism sucks.

How many times has Cuba invaded the U.S.?

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Post by zencode »

mushbino wrote: post #271
foerbert wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that when it comes the US maneuvers in international waters of the South China Sea, the purpose is actually defensive. Part of international maritime law determining the owner of waterways includes considerations for actual control of areas. By navigating international waters against China's wishes, the US is demonstrating to the international community that China does not control access to those…

Is it purely a coincidence that it's right around the time the US is losing hegemony in that part of the world to China? How would the US react if China sent ships to secure the waters between the US and Mexico.

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2021/09/14/china-most-adva...

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Post by AcerbicZero »

mushbino wrote: post #271
foerbert wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that when it comes the US maneuvers in international waters of the South China Sea, the purpose is actually defensive. Part of international maritime law determining the owner of waterways includes considerations for actual control of areas. By navigating international waters against China's wishes, the US is demonstrating to the international community that China does not control access to those…

Is it purely a coincidence that it's right around the time the US is losing hegemony in that part of the world to China? How would the US react if China sent ships to secure the waters between the US and Mexico.

Likely we’d find it amusing, as China is mostly incapable of projecting force outside of its immediate region and I shudder to think about the condition of their coastal navy after a cross pacific journey.

That said, I believe your point is valid, but the comparison breaks down once you look at the nuance of the situation. If Mexico feels they can get a better deal by partnering with China to do joint fleet ops in the Gulf of Mexico then I’d say the US has done a very poor job of treating its neighbors correctly, and that needs to be reevaluated. It’s the same answer I have for China - Theyre doing a poor job of being a good neighbor to others in the region.

A more direct answer is that the US is doing the job on behalf of its traditional allies in the region who have claims over parts of the South China Sea which helps to maintain US soft power in the region.

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