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Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by setgree »

adolph wrote: post #265
setgree wrote: post #258

I just got an unsanctioned booster in NY (a 2nd J&J). I expect a 2nd J&J, though classified as a booster, to provide an immunogenic response comparable to a second dose of Moderna or Pfizer; the fact that J&J marketed itself as a 1-dose rather than 2-dose solution seems to have been motivated by a desire to get to market faster [0] rather than something intrinsic about the vaccine, and we already know that one dose o…

> I basically decided to go it alone . . . apply scientific reasoning to the issue Please be sure to publish the results of your study of one.

it's been two whole days since my booster and no covid yet :)

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by gitanovic »

tomerv wrote: post #182
mchusma wrote: post #139

The whole booster conversation seems like a political game. If you have a vaccine, then your risk of death is far below that of the flu (statistically). If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant. Kids are banned from taking anything. So I expect booster or no booster, frankly it just won't matter much at the population scale. I also don't understand the mas…

> Is it to protect the vaccinated? This makes no sense, as the risk to the vaccinated well below the range we have accepted for decades. What is the acceptable range? Older people are still dying from Covid even after 2 shots. If a third shot can improve someone's protection from death due to Covid, say from 70% to 90% [1], that sounds like a good reason to take that shot. The comparison between someone in Israel tak…

As long as they don't impose to me (40 y.o.) to catch a plane... fine with me

I am getting very wary of the whole situation.

"As soon as we get a vaccine we are good". Now we have the bloody thing, I got injected with it hoping to get back to normal: "We need a booster shot"

I was always pretty rational about it, but this is becoming a farce

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by shapefrog »

adolph wrote: post #265
setgree wrote: post #258

I just got an unsanctioned booster in NY (a 2nd J&J). I expect a 2nd J&J, though classified as a booster, to provide an immunogenic response comparable to a second dose of Moderna or Pfizer; the fact that J&J marketed itself as a 1-dose rather than 2-dose solution seems to have been motivated by a desire to get to market faster [0] rather than something intrinsic about the vaccine, and we already know that one dose o…

> I basically decided to go it alone . . . apply scientific reasoning to the issue Please be sure to publish the results of your study of one.

I hope it goes ok. If n=1 or 100% of the participants in this study trips over and falls, or has anything else out of the ordinary happen, then it means bad things for the other 7.9billion people when we extrapolate it up.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by nradov »

causi wrote: post #192
nradov wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for that 80% number?

The Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vacci...

That article indicates the Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months within a six month period. It doesn't say anything about what happens after six months.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by adolph »

pkulak wrote: post #261
tw04 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is it to protect kids? If so, then all that effort is better directed at the FDA who has banned them from getting the vaccine. I think this is the area where people should have the most anger and Biden should frankly push legislation to replace or reform the FDA. Their behavior has been atrocious. What specifically has been atrocious? The FDA has ALWAYS been extremely cautious in approving vaccinations for children.…

The FDA initially wanted 2 months of data for under 12, just like adults. Then they changed their minds and wanted 6 months instead. I'm sure they had a reason, but in 70 years of vaccines, we've never had a side effect after 2 months. If they changed their minds once, they can damn well do it again and get this thing out there. Then there's the objections (and resignations) to the booster. The specific reasons being…

How are they going to model efficacy if child mortality is very low already?

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Post by scottLobster »

Kevin_S wrote: post #236
bedhead wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like more and more people whom I would consider very partisan (either side) simply act out of spite nowadays. Whatever the other side wants, well, we're just going to unconditionally fight it. You saw this accelerate after Trump won with "Resist", an ethos that literally means to defy regardless of circumstances. And now you see the right's version of "Resist" by avoiding vaccinations. Why? Because screw the…

It's pretty insane to read "both sides" at this point. The idea that democrats and republicans are equal in this way is absurd.

It isn't "both sides" to point out failures in leadership.

Say what you will about Republicans but their core messaging has been remarkably consistent and effective. The Democrats won a hard-fought chance to turn things around from a pandemic-leadership perspective, and then those leaders get caught up in ineffective lies (Fauci saying masks were likely ineffective to try and save supplies, which was a fool's errand) and unrelated culture wars.

Are they better than the Trump administration? Absolutely. Have they made some egregious and completely avoidable errors? Also yes.

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Post by kritiko »

wang_li wrote: post #155
MontagFTB wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe a serious issue with your “protect the unvaccinated” statement is it overlooks the amount of pressure they exert on our shared medical system. If your hospital beds are overrun with unvaccinated Covid patients, there is less room for others.

We could address the hospitalization issue by doing a better job of deciding when to hospitalize. It seems that more than half of the cases of those who are taking spaces in hospitals are asymptomstic, mild, or incidental. https://news.yahoo.com/57-percent-vaccinated-covid-19-203448...

That study is based on VA data and not reflective of the general population. It seems very problematic to talk as if that's true for all hospitals.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

bwship wrote: post #248
spywaregorilla wrote: post #244

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It is upsetting to me that you appear to believe vaccines replace the role of your immune system.

The whole point of the original comment was that 1. someone with the vaccine and someone without both had an identical reaction to the virus and 2. just because everyone on the pro-vaccine side makes claims that this vaccine is safe, there are no long-term studies on it. So my point about my immune system was that yes I was willing to roll the dice and deal with the virus when/if it came to me. And I did. I will get…

There are no long term studies on COVID. But what informatrion we do have suggests it can cause prolonged damage.

Including erectile dysfunction.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by shapefrog »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #209

How can any healthcare professional, who has probably had multiple vaccines in the past, not take this Covid-19 vaccine? Isn't this akin to a tech worker using "password" as their PW?

How can any human, who has probably had multiple meals in the past, not eat McDonalds?

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Post by zamalek »

mchusma wrote: post #139

The whole booster conversation seems like a political game. If you have a vaccine, then your risk of death is far below that of the flu (statistically). If you don't have a vaccine by now, you want covid instead and this booster conversation is irrelevant. Kids are banned from taking anything. So I expect booster or no booster, frankly it just won't matter much at the population scale. I also don't understand the mas…

> Is it to protect the vaccinated?

Unfortunately, yes. The unvaccinated are a fertile ground for strains to develop. Protecting the unvaccinated is in your own best interest. We're going to need new vaccines when the the virus evolves in the unvaccinated, but the vaccinated can delay that eventuality.

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