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Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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> During February 21–March 20, 2021, suspected suicide attempt ED visits were 50.6% higher among girls aged 12–17 years than during the same period in 2019; among boys aged 12–17 years, suspected suicide attempt ED visits increased 3.7%. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm

Comparatively speaking, at least gender-wise, this data should be taken with a grain of salt. Males are historically more effective at killing themselves. This data only looks at ED visits and you don't go to the hospital when you're clearly dead. And if you assume "suicide attempt" is using the technical definition [1], they're only looking at ED visits where the patient did not die. Males aged 15 to 24 were 4x as l…

I'm not clear on what you're arguing. In Year 2019 there are N suspected suicide attempt visits for females; in Year 2020, there are 1.506N attempted visits for females. Regardless of comparing males-to-females, the year-on-year comparison is valid, unless you can make a convincing argument that there's been an abrupt change in the method/effectiveness of suicide that females are using.

In terms of comparing male to female, the comparison is still valid as well, assuming that males haven't gotten more successful than they were last year. Assuming that males are successful some proportion of the time, P, if that proportion hasn't changed, a bump of 3.7% in their total number of failures should give a general indication of the trend. If you'd take a position like "a 3.7% increase in failed attempts was accompanied by a 30% increase in successful attempts," you'd have to support the argument for why they're not only committing more suicide, but why it's more effective than it was before. That's hardly where occam's razor falls.

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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If a shared experience is toxic to the mental well-being of my kids, then they're not going to share in the experience. I'd rather my kid hate me for a couple years as a teenager for not letting them engage in harmful things than never getting out of their teenage years.

Oh, they'll going to hate you a lot longer than that.

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Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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post #249

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> Female editors are presumably highly represented at these magazines and they don't seem to have a problem with the destruction they wreak. Regardless of gender, the people that rise to the top tend to be sociopathic…

All 1-4% of them... The insinuation that anyone who rises to the top of an organisation must be sociopathic is dillusional. Yes, there is a higher incidence at the CEO level, traits that help you in a role also help you get there, go figure, but the idea all leaders are sociopaths is a huge stretch based off nothing but your own bias and distain for anyone high up in a power structure, that seems to be going around r…

> 1-4%

Citation needed, as well as a fully qualified definition of "organisation". It's not fair to equate the leader of the local farming co-op with the editorial head of a major newsgathering (or in present-times: news-aggregation) corporation.

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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If a shared experience is toxic to the mental well-being of my kids, then they're not going to share in the experience. I'd rather my kid hate me for a couple years as a teenager for not letting them engage in harmful things than never getting out of their teenage years.

Oh, they'll going to hate you a lot longer than that.

I bet you have a ton of evidence to support your viewpoint too.

I'll wait here with bated breath for proof of your intellectual and emotional superiority.

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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There was something very off before the pandemic. Girls were already diverging sharply from the historical norm and from boys over the last few years: https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/cms/attachme... "Sex- and Age-specific Increases in Suicide Attempts by Self-Poisoning in the United States among Youth and Young Adults from 2000 to 2018". It's disproportionately a specific method (poisoning) and it is…

Instagram was founded in 2010.

That was also the year that mobile phones became common for children to have in classrooms.

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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Can you say "Social Media"?!

The connection to anxiety, bullying and depression has already been demonstrated with adult women. It should be a surprise that young girls are worse affected.

Men/boys mostly don't care about social attention and approval in ways that are amped up on Social Media. Yes we are different!

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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What does the effectiveness of suicide have to do with the rate at which people attempt it?

A successful attempt results in no further attempts.

That's true. However, do the statistics count the same people reattempting?

Re: Schools opened, suicide attempts in girls skyrocketed

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post #277

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A successful attempt results in no further attempts.

That's true. However, do the statistics count the same people reattempting?

I'm not sure, but that is a good question. I tend to think that the data sources could count the same individual multiple times because the report ("2019-methodological-summary-and-definitions") says so:

See: https://www.samhsa.gov/data/report/2019-methodological-summa...

> An important issue for users of NSDUH and TEDS data to consider is that the unit of analysis for TEDS is admissions to substance use treatment, whereas NSDUH estimates are for individuals who received substance use treatment. Consequently, individuals who were admitted to substance use treatment multiple times in the reporting period would be counted more than once in the TEDS admissions data.

Earlier in that same document, the authors state that they only ask these two categories about suicidal thoughts:

- the individual is over 18

- the individual is under or over 18, but has had a major depressive episode (MDE)

The statistics also include multiple studies with variable sampling beyond NSDUH and TEDS. I think the best one can do is to presume mixed data, which would indeed include repeat attempts for the same individual.

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