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Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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> The secrecy surrounding performance management is one more reason why some Amazon office employees say the company is not living up to its April pledge to become “Earth’s Best Employer.”

Rules for corporations:

Actions > Words

Rules for politicians:

Policies > Rhetoric

Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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No it’s just income on your w2 same as rsus and salary. You’re thinking of long term cap gains which is entirely different matter

Bonus fits into the category of "supplemental wages" which Google suggests has a special 22% tax rate. However that rate also apparently applies to RSUs most of the time.

> Bonus fits into the category of "supplemental wages" which Google suggests has a special 22% tax rate. However that rate also apparently applies to RSUs most of the time.

This 22% tax rate is the default rate applied by your RSU brokerage which often leaves you owing taxes to the IRS. IRS treats RSU at vesting as regular income. For the tax purposes it is same as if you received their equivalent in cash and then used it to purchase the same number company shares [0].

[0] https://www.cordantwealth.com/rsus-tax-saving-and-hedging/

Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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post #108

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Doing something about a problem generally requires someone is aware that a problem exists right? Otherwise it’s just marking them for future termination without telling them, which seems like a waste of everyone’s time.

No. The management team can make honest mistake. After preliminary investigation, they find they are wrong. No need to tell the employee in this regard. I did not say they should never tell the employee. I think sometimes it's unnecessary.

As the employee in that situation I'd want to be told, so I could improve how I manage others' perception of me.

Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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The process is relevant to the company. So it's relevant to the employee. The headline is correct unless Amazon policy is not telling employees about performance problems before Focus. Otherwise the discussion about Focus sounds just like the discussion they should have before Focus. > There’s a more fundamental question - are we saying once you get hired, your job should be permanent, regardless of your performance?…

“It would have been appropriate…” I don’t think I did anything inappropriate, which is what you seem to be implying. My other comment about working at Amazon is in this same HN discussion. And you can see that I work for Amazon from my post history. Performance management is a necessity in any company, but whether you’re in “Focus” or not is besides the point. There’s no company policy that managers cannot or should…

You're talking in circles a bit. The point the GP was trying to make is there's no real downside to letting employees know they are on FOCUS and that a structured plan in place for tracking, rather than telling employees something vague like their work "needs improving".

It is the most basic level of transparency and just seems like a decent thing to do. For some reason your comments keep avoiding that point. I wonder if this is the effect working at Amazon has on everyone.

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Makes absolutely no sense. The main point of a PIP is to give people time to make a graceful exit; sure, in some cases performance can be turned around but that’s not really what it is about. So you should want the employee to know. Supposedly Bezos is going to be focusing on making Amazon a great place to work; here’s some low-hanging fruit for you Jeff.

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A toxic culture of fear is the intended effect here. People at amazon love to discuss the flywheel effect[1]. The flywheel here is the culture of fear that keeps employees on their toes. Bezos believes that employees are inherently lazy[2], and it seems like fear is tool the S-team have chosen to solve the problem of lazy employees. This has a lot of unintended consequences[3], but the executives with the power to ch…

Imagine suffering from imposter syndrome in an office with this fear culture. People will work themselves to the bone trying to fix personal perceived inadequecies. Then they burnout and quit. I guess if workers are considered expendable than that's a positive. Corporations need to be more accountable to their workers welfare and not solely stockholder's welfare.

> Corporations need to be more accountable to their workers welfare and not solely stockholder's welfare.

there's no incentive for doing so. As far as the owner of the company is concerned, ensuring there s a pay-cheque is the end of the company's responsibility.

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post #213

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Yeah my big takeaway from the recent press is that they didn't even think I was good enough to be a patsy to fire. Definitely an ego hit

Have you applied to Amazon? Talking with recruiters who've left it sounded like Amazon incentives were different than other places. So internal recruiters spend more time contacting people already in their system. Sometimes not even doing a basic fit check.

Yeah, I made it to the last round but wasn't given an offer.

Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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What’s the true nature of the concealing? The fact that some managers flout the guidance that Amazon provides to not tell people they are on a PIP? I’ve never heard of another company doing that, much less would want to work for one where that is the official guidance to managers! If you might label it a hit price, I don’t think it’s that controversial to label you as Amazon apologist.

In the small section where they quote Amazon’s perspective, it says: > tell the employee that their performance is not meeting expectations Then the rest of the article is all quotes about employees who are not sure if they are meeting expectations or not. Are managers just not following this guidance, or is there some other rule that says the opposite of this quote?

Not meet expectations is a widely different world than PIP especially if the signals you are getting otherwise make you feel like you are performing well. Managers are clearly told by amazon to communicate as little as possible about underperforming if employees can be on secret PIP for 12 months…

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Seconded. Haven’t seen this anywhere in Amazon. Edit: Clarified that I meant within Amazon.

> Seconded. Haven’t seen this anywhere. The military has it, and (news to me) it appears common in accountancy and management consulting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_or_out

I wanted to chime in the the military part. This is not an age limit on positions to keep old people out, this is to weed out under performers at a time where the military has a glut of highly qualified volunteers.

So up or out means “if you’re passed over for promotion twice, you must suck and we don’t want you anymore.”

But I have seen old officers in the lower ranks because they were enlisted men, then warrant officers, then finally officers. They were far older than their peers, but still needed to tick the boxes and get promoted.

Ref: Military Officer

Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan

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You don't survive 4 years without doing that. Remember someone gets voted out each year. Your goal is not be that person so you can't help a newbie. Someone new has to come in and screw someone else over to stay.

i may be way off base, so appoligies if so, but isnt that a form of sociopathy?

Yes and no. Here, the sociopathy is generated by the dynamics of the organization that Amazon is, but not by the upbringing or the genetics of the individual.
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