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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by yongjik »

crazygringo wrote: post #106
dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

But flagging works most of the time. There are just too many submissions that result in utterly predictable and boring comments. I myself succumbed to the temptation many times, and left tons of comments when it came to, say, Trump's latest antics. Frankly HN will be (marginally) better if someone erased every comment of mine in any thread that mentions Trump.

Without user flagging HN will be unusable.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dejj »

retrac wrote: post #184
idbehold wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another approach is to penalize users (e.g. stop trusting their flags) who flagged a post which then got unflagged by a mod.

I have a flag on my platform that flags users who reported things I agreed with the removal of, as "trusted" and their reports are given more weight in the algorithm next time. Sort of the inverse of what you propose where everyone is somewhat untrusted by default. (But not entirely untrusted.)

What is that platform of yours?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by drdavid »

jasode wrote: post #46

I'm guessing it is a "hand tuned" search result tweak because just appending "china" returns a few images: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank%20man%20china (For those who don't see results, this is my screen grab of the above at 18:12 UTC : https://imgur.com/a/3tzPV49 ) Also, "Tiananmen Square massacre" still returns some image results: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tiananmen+Square+massac... Therefore,…

> Microsoft said the issue was "due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this."

(I did some searching.) This is from a report here:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/microsoft-bing-raises-c...

Of course, the search result is an MSN link.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by partiallypro »

iso1631 wrote: post #264
partiallypro wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way it was accidental. It could have been a rogue employee that pushed something globally that was supposed to be limited to China...but the idea that it was an accident on the anniversary sounds like a made up story.

Or it could have been a normal employee that ticked the "censor everywhere" box rather than "censor china"

But why would it happen today? The term is likely censored year round in China, why would it suddenly go from China to global?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by 6foot4_82iq »

crazygringo wrote: post #106
dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Three or four coordinated accounts is all it takes to have de facto editorial control over HN.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by viktorcode »

This is disgusting. Never held any fantasies about Microsoft, but this example of Chinese censorship taking over the world by means of an American corporation is the new low.

Don't think I will be able to buy any Microsoft product ever again.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jonathlee »

jasode wrote: post #46

I'm guessing it is a "hand tuned" search result tweak because just appending "china" returns a few images: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank%20man%20china (For those who don't see results, this is my screen grab of the above at 18:12 UTC : https://imgur.com/a/3tzPV49 ) Also, "Tiananmen Square massacre" still returns some image results: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tiananmen+Square+massac... Therefore,…

Adding "tiananmen square" to "tank man" does return the photo as the 3rd result: tank man tiananmen square

Also, the misspelled version of Tianenmen that I first used worked as well.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jturpin »

dang wrote: post #236
tw04 wrote: post #148

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I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

Is there any valuable connection between the users that flagged the original post that might be interesting? Not looking for specifics, since I imagine that's secret, but wondering how much of it really was standard behavior versus something else.
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