Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?
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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated
#272Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?
1.8% is pretty good compared to the rest of the EU right? I'm still not sure why a lot of countries started so late or so slowly.
Still, like a lot of things, the last 20% is magnitudes harder then the first 20%. Finishing vaccination programs will come down to how well each government can educate their populist. I fear this is where America will fall down.
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except other western countries haven't "gotten it under control"... they are all having second waves and resurgences with or without large lockdowns and with or without draconian processes. > fairly simple Until you start looking at how many lives are saved vs the second and third tier effects. Higher suicide rates from losing jobs and stress? People in third world countries dying from a cratered world economy? etc.…
Australia has had recorded zero locally acquired cases for more than 7 days now. At one point, Melbourne recorded 700 cases in a day, after several months of hard lockdown, it's down to 1 case in 30 days. There's also no indication that the suicide rate in 2020 changed significantly from previous years ( https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/co... )
Meanwhile in the Northern Hemisphere, the winter surges correlate with latitude, after a quiet summer. There’s a pretty obvious pattern: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81419-w
And depression can be a slow killer, I’m more interested in the 2020 numbers for strokes and heart attacks. People have been hesitating in emergencies for almost an entire year (and counting).
Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I’m not sure how much of it is fear of the MRNA vaccine itself, and how much is an objection to the creepy fascist context. Probably a lot of both, and maybe yes a bit too much of the former. I don't think the two concerns are all that neatly separable. I find it impossible not to notice the relentless campaign to put forth _vaccinating everyone with an experimental jab_ as the only legitimate escape from indefinit…
> I don't think the two concerns are all that neatly separable. I find it impossible not to notice the relentless campaign to put forth _vaccinating everyone with an experimental jab_ as the only legitimate escape from indefinite lockdowns and distancing. Who said that? There are quite a few ways out: we can reach a state of herd immunity (as a practical matter, this would mean that going back to normal would result…
A good place to start to reduce the number of infections would be to work out a proper test. With PCR tests you can modify the number of cycles to fit your goals, from "serious pandemic" to "we are almost case free" within days. Also it seems like these tests test positive for people who have been infected months ago, so it's more than likely to pile up the numbers of cases even though most of those aren't really active anymore.
Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated
#275America has ~330 million people. Let's assume the 18.7 Million was just in the month of january..not 100% acurate, but not 100% inaccurate. That gives us a timeline of more than 1 year at current rate to vaccinate the entire US. Even vaccinating 70% the population will take roughly a year at current pace. Puts things in some perspective.
Yeah, in Q3 I was really hoping to be on an airplane this summer. I realized in December or early January that due to the insane mismanagement it's going to ruin this summer too, and it'll likely be Q3 of this year before travel is really safe or reasonable again.
If only you had some form of centralised health infrastructure to help co-ordinate this program.
Didn't some US politician try this not too long ago?
Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated
#276Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?
1.8% is pretty good compared to the rest of the EU right? I'm still not sure why a lot of countries started so late or so slowly. Still, like a lot of things, the last 20% is magnitudes harder then the first 20%. Finishing vaccination programs will come down to how well each government can educate their populist. I fear this is where America will fall down.
I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are caught leaving their homes. I just see no other way around it, or pandemic never stops in most countries.
Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
1.8% is pretty good compared to the rest of the EU right? I'm still not sure why a lot of countries started so late or so slowly. Still, like a lot of things, the last 20% is magnitudes harder then the first 20%. Finishing vaccination programs will come down to how well each government can educate their populist. I fear this is where America will fall down.
I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are caught leaving their homes. I just see no other way around it, or pandemic never stops in most countries.
Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.
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Your statement seems to imply that the current vaccines prevent the spread of the virus too. Do you know this is verified yet? It was in the news today and it didn't seem like it was known yet here in Norway. I think we are using the Biontech vaccine. And, FTR, yes I'm generally pro vaccines.
There's no evidence yet (that I'm aware of) which is why experts are very cautious against giving false hope. But based on past vaccines for other viruses and the way they and the covid vaccines help your body be better prepared to fight the virus, it's a reasonable guess that they may well at least limit spread, perhaps even close to prevent it. So you're right to point out that it's not a sure thing, but I (admitte…
Even if there is no reduced spread, reducing load on hospitals has got to be a good thing. That’s assuming the vaccine doesn’t increase spread (where I’m assuming a reduced likelihood of symptoms)..
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I think we could just stick with positivity rates and case numbers to figure that out, like we have been doing. Once the vaccines start working their magic, we’ll see it in those metrics. That way we don’t have to try and guess how infectious someone can still be after they have had the vaccine
Exactly. Fixating on the vaccination percentage is simply using a number that's two steps removed from what's actually important. It's like trying to decide if it's too rainy to go out by figuring out how many people are watering their yards right now, when you could just look out and see if it's raining.
Still we use weather forecast when we decide to make plans tomorrow. The best way to predict wether we can make plans (summer holidays, festivals, etc.) should involve some combination of the vaccination percentage and epidemological models.
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First, that’s factually incorrect. Second, children can transmit COVID even if they don’t get severe cases. Ever send a kid to school or daycare and then spend a year or two sick with everything every child in that school or daycare had? Kids spread cold/flu like viruses probably faster than anyone.
That has been true for us up until the pandemic - at least in our case. The combination of the school taking extra precautions and parents not sending sick kids to school is working. We've had our daughter in daycare for months with 1 total illness (minor cold). And in that case I believe it was from taking her to outdoor dining. Kids seem to touch every part of those restaurant high chairs which are never sanitized.
> We've had our daughter in daycare for months with 1 total illness (minor cold)
To be fair you can't be sure that wasn't covid, unless you have come up seronegative. Not every adult gets it bad