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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wyoh »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. Back in the late 2000s and early 2010s many of these large companies billed themselves as open platforms where you can express yourself. Twitter's Jack Dorsey said in 2012 that "We are the free speech wing of the free speech part". Now he says it was joke. The terms of service on these platfo…

You don't need a separate platform for bubbles to form.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wyoh »

itsangaris wrote: post #55
freddie_mercury wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robert Mercer has nothing to go with Parler. Why are you bringing him up?

Did you read the article? Robert Mercer funded Parler.

It's daughter did, not him, she said so in a post on Parler.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by DaniloDias »

victorbstan wrote: post #236
Rick1 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've heard (I don't use Parler) one of their selling points it actually that they're quicker than Twitter as censoring. Twitter allows (and promotes?) hate mobs while Parler supposedly doesn't.

How does that work? Since most of the hate mobs are in Parler now?

We should train ML models to identify hateful polemics based on your posting history.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by forgingahead »

If you look at Donald Trump's Facebook account, every post of his (including one about getting a new COVID relief bill to him to sign and one wishing people Happy Diwali) is "flagged" by Facebook with their "helpful notice". Twitter has plenty of their own notices as well, spawning several memes already[0][1].

Dick Costolo, the former CEO of Twitter, made a post about "lining up and shooting" people. AOC recently tweeted about "making lists" of opposition supporters, which was amplified by many others. There were 3 years of unfounded accusations of foreign involvement in the 2016 election, amongst many other titillating rumours, gossip, and slander against an elected official and his family and cabinet members.

None of those were flagged by social media companies the way Trump and others are being flagged now. Whatever pretzel-like justifications one may come up with for the obvious double-standard, the average person no longer believes in neutrality of media or of any of the major tech platforms.

[0]https://twitter.com/tysmith12206/status/1326669493817516034

[1]https://img.ifunny.co/images/f9cf7b18c206377f293432986acf677...

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by odessacubbage »

axguscbklp wrote: post #89
4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

>It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. It would probably be a terrible place to live physically, but not necessarily a terrible place to visit online. Places such as the ones SSC refers to are terrible places to visit for people who get deeply emotionally hurt when they see hateful discourse and for people who lack the skill of filtering low-value content in search of high-value…

didn't scott erase his entire community and body of work out of fear of being subjected to a witch hunt? the witch doth protest too much.

>I think that learning those skills is worthwhile because in strongly free speech areas, one can often find high-value content that is difficult or impossible to find in thought-policed places.

i have had far more positive experiences & formed some of the most valuable connections in my life on 'toxic' freespeech sites than i ever have on twitter. it's actually shocking sometimes how much more caustic and genuinely awful twitterposters are than anons. you see the same thing in online games. free for alls tend to breed a certain amount of community enforced values while games with heavy oversight & no shit talk end up being much more miserable experiences.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by everdrive »

This is just an expression of the larger, ongoing culture war. There may be some truth to the claims that conservatives are being censored more often, but I don't really believe that this is the primary thing driving them away. They view Twitter as a left institution, and view its users as primarily leaning left. As the American culture war continues to escalate, more institutions (and companies, and websites) get dragged into it. The entity in question "must" be either right or left. Even COVID-19 has taken a very partisan bent in this climate.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wyoh »

sigmaprimus wrote: post #51
gizmodo59 wrote: post #10

This whole thread is going to be: * I'm not a liberal but.. * I'm not a conservative but.. * Twitter may be a private company, but.. * Freedom of speech but... If there is a new view point on how to analytically break such news down that would be great to hear indeed!

How about doing a thought experiment for a minute? Trump told what are generally considered incorrect opinions on corona virus prevention. Eg: Hydroxy Chloroquine works, masks don't and so on... His followers then parroted and posted these comments on social media and were promptly defunded, suspended and even banned for breaking Eula terms. Because Covid is serious and far too important to risk endangering others li…

Look for actual polls, the belief that HCQ works and masks don't are in minority among Republicans, same with most of them having never heard of Qanon, the proud Boys or the boogaloo (which is more a meme than what was depicted in msm) These positions are inflated by the MSM to make right wingers look like crazy lunatics.

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Post by imgabe »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

You can unfollow people you know. I make it a point to unfollow or mute anyone who's too negative. There's some value in Twitter, but it requires curation.

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Post by nemo44x »

karmasimida wrote: post #161

I am more interested in Parler's business model moving forward. One reason of censorship becomes so prevailing is because of advertising. The advertisers ultimately defines what is 'toxic' and what not. If Parler can stick to its current path and manage to survive, it would pretty significant to the internet ecosystem.

I guess it depends on the bottom line for the company. Who their customers are.

Nike shoes is an interesting recent example. They embraced the controversial NFL player Colin Kaepernick in various advertising campaigns, playing in his bravery for kneeling during the National Anthem of the United States. However this was not some sort of altruistic, egalitarian business campaign. It was a cold calculation from their data which said young people buy their products and young people are sympathetic to his cause and therefore we will sell more shoes going with this endorsement. It helped make Nike, a company with a very spotty humanitarian history and questions of exploitive labor practices, a corporation their audience of largely young progressive people felt identified with them.

Advertising is about as cynical as it gets. For some companies it will make sense to “choose a side” which when thinking about it is as absurd and ridiculous as something could be. What would Adam Smith make of this?

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