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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

ratww wrote: post #266
echelon wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything. Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior. Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and…

> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

I agree with you except that I believe that there is a third alternative.

All the safety issues that are solved by Apple’s approach could be solved by some combination of open source and or open source development, in an open way that does away with the single gatekeeper.

That would be better than either Apple or the Government controlling software distribution.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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nemothekid wrote: post #270
echelon wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything. Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior. Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and…

> They've become their own banana republic. It's insane that you would compare selling a superior product on a largely free market, to a CIA-backed coup of a foreign independent nation. Can you please point to me to the people Apple murdered to capture their market? This is some incredible anti-Apple rhetoric. Meanwhile, in our currently implemented "open" platform you have engineers running amok with the personal da…

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by echelon »

nemothekid wrote: post #270
echelon wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything. Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior. Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and…

> They've become their own banana republic. It's insane that you would compare selling a superior product on a largely free market, to a CIA-backed coup of a foreign independent nation. Can you please point to me to the people Apple murdered to capture their market? This is some incredible anti-Apple rhetoric. Meanwhile, in our currently implemented "open" platform you have engineers running amok with the personal da…

> incredible anti-Apple rhetoric

And it's crazy you think that's wrong!

Stop worshipping the device in your pocket and protect our industry! Apple is a foe. Living in their ecosystem is like living in a Communist dictatorship. Say or do the wrong thing and they take your app own to the gallows and kill it.

Do. Not. Worship. This.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto »

ethbr0 wrote: post #260
zepto wrote: post #250

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It’s not a straw man. I don’t want my non-technical family members being persuaded to install other stores. It is absolutely a feature, and a beneficial one at that, which many people want. As for Apple allowing people to install other stores - why should they? Why not just buy an Android phone if you want that feature.

Ease of technical support for your family doesn't merit enslaving iOS users and developers.

Neither Apple’s users, nor developers for iOS are forced to do anything.

Comparing buying a phone to being enslaved is quite bizarre.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by heavensgateboy »

jagger27 wrote: post #152
heavensgateboy wrote: post #75

The practice of rigging app store removals as a means of increasing launch-hype is becoming an increasingly utilized marketing technique for apps. The "Hey" e-mail app successfully used this tactic recently. This marketing technique is a form of social engineering and fraud that spurs artificial discourse regarding well-known legal hurdles affecting apps. App developers then re-publish a compliant app that capitalize…

iSH is an open source hobby project, not a product. I fail to see how what you accuse Hey of as fraud and artificial discourse either.

“Hey” very clearly gamed an Apple TOS violation to increase the visibility of their project as a marketing stunt during its launch. This practice is becoming increasingly common as companies try to position themselves as being relatable to average users. It’s free publicity, integrates into a hotly debated topic poll, and garners a lot of commentary which can be easily driven by shills.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by arvinsim »

mullingitover wrote: post #205
josephcsible wrote: post #194

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If it only works until Apple stops signing your certificate, then it's not "unapproved".

This is not a realistic scenario, but even if it was there's a trivial workaround: sign up for a new account. And at the end of the day, what made you buy that iDevice? Raw hardware? You can buy any old ARM tablet if that's what you want. You probably bought that iDevice because you want the secure device, with a full stack and ecosystem, which includes ongoing work from Apple to provide OS patches for security holes…

That's a bit presumptuous to generalize people's motivation to buy an iDevice.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by noahtallen »

walrus01 wrote: post #265
yakz wrote: post #78

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They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

> Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If you think curl or wget are evil unapproved software I don't see how presenting a rational argument as a counterpoint could possibly be of any benefit. Sometimes I forget that people with such opinions actually exist. This is almost literally like the people I've seen freak out about seeing someone do complex thing…

I don’t think folks think that wget or curl are evil. It just seems pretty obvious that this kind of app would be forbidden by Apple. Which sucks, but I don’t think it’s surprising.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ksec »

arvinsim wrote: post #239
echelon wrote: post #223

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

> How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Shareholders happened, that's why. The lines between company and customers are blurred, giving perverse incentives to defend company practices that wouldn't fly if there were a clear distinction.

>The lines between company and customers are blurred...

“There are only two industries that refer to their customers as 'users': illegal drugs and software. " — Edward Tufte

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by echelon »

ratww wrote: post #266
echelon wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything. Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior. Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and…

> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

This is such a red herring!

It's just as easy to firewall your platform and prevent trackers. Open installation and privacy are not mutually exclusive.

The browser is a firewalled platform. Look at what Mozilla can do for privacy on their shoestring budget.

Apple likes it the way they have it. You cannot tell me the DOJ can't force them to open their platform and suddenly every Apple user is stuck on 90's era Windows. This is not how it works.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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zepto wrote: post #271
ratww wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

I agree with you except that I believe that there is a third alternative. All the safety issues that are solved by Apple’s approach could be solved by some combination of open source and or open source development, in an open way that does away with the single gatekeeper. That would be better than either Apple or the Government controlling software distribution.

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