About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by intricatedetail » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:51 PM UTC

burrows wrote: post #39

mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

Nah. If the current crop of developers leaves the platform then another crop will take their place.

It's about your company values. If you put greed above anything else then you won't get business from me. I try to avoid companies who support Apple.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by bigbubba » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #66

bigbubba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A computer without software is no longer a computer?

As a legal distinction I think it's not unreasonable, i.e. a TV these days is just a big ipad it it's not considered a personal computer.

If a TV isn't plugged into anything, I suppose it's no longer a TV.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by hk__2 » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #67

my123 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In quite some countries, book pricing is fixed by the publisher and cannot vary between websites according to the law. If AAPL takes a 30% margin, the whole model cannot work and you are much better off not selling anything.

I fail to see what the relationship between the publisher and the seller has to do with Apple. Because in case you're not aware Amazon isn't some mom and pop store. It has enough clout to negotiate terms with publishers.

> Because in case you're not aware Amazon isn't some mom and pop store. It has enough clout to negotiate terms with publishers.

Not everywhere, as GP wrote. In France, the price of a book is fixed: it sells the same price whether you’re Amazon or a small bookstore (you’re allowed to offer a 5% reduction max).

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by harrisonjackson » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #5

These are linked in the post, but I'm pulling them out as a top-level comment so you can focus your discussion on those. Theodore on how the App Review process could be improved: https://tbodt.com/2020/11/08/app-review-experiences.html Ramblings I wrote on why I believe the guideline iSH was pulled under was incorrectly applied and needs to be rewritten: https://saagarjha.com/blog/2020/11/08/fixing-section-2-5-2/ Rel…

The reviewer that reinstalled the package manager with wget is my favorite part of this whole debacle.

The reviewer could in theory reimplement an os in python or javascript in one of the already approved scripting applications. Then implement apt-get or another package manager and install all sorts of dangerous codes!! /s

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by heavensgateboy » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:55 PM UTC

The practice of rigging app store removals as a means of increasing launch-hype is becoming an increasingly utilized marketing technique for apps. The "Hey" e-mail app successfully used this tactic recently. This marketing technique is a form of social engineering and fraud that spurs artificial discourse regarding well-known legal hurdles affecting apps. App developers then re-publish a compliant app that capitalizes on the very marketplace that the app developer and their pool of new users claim some deep-seated issue with. The old switcheroo!

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by jeromenerf » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:56 PM UTC

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #9

Cant imagine how Apple would let this through in the first place but makes sense they would pull it. I grabbed a copy after reading this and very nice work by the developers but easy to see how an app that lets me install other apps on ios would be banned.

It's strange that it can get installed through apple testflight for years before reaching the app store only to be removed after two weeks.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:56 PM UTC

cute_boi wrote: post #8

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #2

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux ( https://termux.com/ ) on Android for now.

i thought termux is going to have issue in latest version of andriod? This is what we get from monopoly.

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by yakz » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:58 PM UTC

mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it.

Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule.

If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule.

If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existence, it's allowing them to use terms like "buy", "own", etc. for platforms that you clearly do not control. You are renting the software and the device just comes with it.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by flamtap » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:58 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #5

These are linked in the post, but I'm pulling them out as a top-level comment so you can focus your discussion on those. Theodore on how the App Review process could be improved: https://tbodt.com/2020/11/08/app-review-experiences.html Ramblings I wrote on why I believe the guideline iSH was pulled under was incorrectly applied and needs to be rewritten: https://saagarjha.com/blog/2020/11/08/fixing-section-2-5-2/ Rel…

Oh, rats. I was just wondering if a-Shell would get hit with this too. I get a lot of mileage out of that app.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by the_mitsuhiko » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:58 PM UTC

I don't understand how this was permitted in the first place. Everything about this is against the app store guidelines. Unfortunately I don't see how you can have this be compliant at all.