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Jailbreaking Used Teslas
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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
On one hand they shouldn’t on another hand “performance modes” are often priced based on the wear and tear they induce and it’s impact on the manufacturer warranty in terms of servicing costs. Even before Tesla you already had car manufacturers that basically locked out performance behind a pay wall even tho the car itself was identical to the “sport model”. Many of the German manufacturers had this practice for a de…
In some (many?) cases, performance is limited on a motor by the ECU because the hardware is unable to cope with the extra wear. For example same block, heads and intake but different (cheaper) pistons, valves, springs, injectors, etc ... Sure you can easily dial up the power on the cheaper engine to match the expensive one, but at a higher risk of breakdown.
In many cases due to how the supply chain is structured there aren’t any “quality” differences the wear and tear as you’ve mentioned is simply amortized in the cost of the car.
BMW is probably the biggest offender in this regard and you can buy the “unlock cables” for the older (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E60-Sport-mode-unlock-cable-w...
You can also tell there is no difference in the valves, pistons or pretty much anything else since the part numbers in the service manual are identical.
The only difference in parts comes to the trim and the breaks on some of the models.
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never understood how tesla doesn't get subjected to a very expensive recall to retrofit their vehicles with an OBDII port that actually works. Bare minimum it should have to provide the subset of PIDs that are applicable to it. Odometer, time since start, voltages, throttle position, battery pack remain life, etc.
Legislators, lobbyists and car manufacturers are working hard together to obsolete and replace OBDII with something that is completely locked away from consumers and independent mechanics forever.
You know, a newer thing that gets lots of remarks like that is the Security Gateway Module (SGM) from FCA (Chrysler) on 2018+ models. Everybody thinks its getting locked away from end users except read access. Less understood is along with this change they now they sell their micropods for $1800. (obd2 wifi dongle) Meaning, for under 2k you literally have the same tool the dealers have to use. And you can pay for 3 day subscriptions for $50 a pop that give you access to everything (firmware updates, repair procedures, wiring diagrams, etc)
But if you still want to use a 3rd party tool you pay $100 a year for an autoauth subscription that supports all tools an independent shop could possible have among all their employees. That effectively allows the 3rd party tools to request FCA unlock the SGM so they can program the car directly with aftermarket tools. And if you just don't want to deal with chrysler or care if nefarious actors can potentially hijack and program your car over a cellular connection. You can replace the SGM with a bypass and even ditch the cellular connection. Or you can add another OBD port for yourself by plugging in at the star port. Or use something like the 8+12 method.
So its not like John Deer or Tesla where you can't do anything. Its more like if you owned an Apple computer and Apple allowed you to purchase their software to work with it. And did so at a very reasonable price (comparatively) any independent shop could afford. But also allowed you to register with a auth service that allows you to disable all the stuff blocking you from doing things with 3rd party software.
If we're going to go down this road of cellular vehicles I really hope FCA being out there ahead of others rubs off on how other manufacturers handle it. I think its a pretty good engineering design to address modern concerns as well as support independent shops by extending access to their tools to work with. You don't have to worry if Autel or Snap-On understood something well enough to program the various modules correctly. But you can still go that route if desired.
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't own a home but if I did I sure as hell am not paying any fees to some scammers and sure as hell am not listening to some idiots who think they have any say about how I landscape my yard. HOAs are evil and I wish they could be outlawed.
What kind of change in law would you like to see that would outlaw them? As far as I can tell, aren't HOAs just 'built' out of standard contract law?
Yes, but so are non-compete agreements and discrimination, and laws can make those contracts invalid.
I would like to see laws make HOAs invalid and null and void. If you own something you should have full control of it, to the extent that it doesn't adversely influence the safety of the community. So yeah I'm okay with laws saying you aren't allowed to store a pile of hazardous chemicals that could be a safety hazard to neighbors but I'm most certainly NOT okay with laws telling you how you're allowed to landscape your garden or what color you can paint your house or what your fence or driveway looks like or whether you park your car in your driveway or garage. To me, owning means I make the rules, to hell with contracts, it's not a rental.
Unless it's in some historical district where we're trying to preserve the historic look, that I'd be willing to make an exception for. But definitely not in random suburbs.
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm strongly in favor of greater re-use of these enormous machines that require intense capital investment, and valuable and limited resources to create. Yes, though as long as Tesla is up-front about their restrictions, people can take those considerations into account when they make their capital investment.
Sure, I can agree with that. And we can also be critical of Tesla for it. It does run somewhat counter to their environmental mission.
Tesla has an environmental marketing, not an environmental mission.
An environmental car is something like a LEAF.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about buying a house that is part of a HOA?
I think HOAs are a scam. We recently bought a house, and simply didn’t consider anything with an HOA fee (we made exceptions and considered arrangements where the HOA was limited to private road maintenance). I doubt we’re the only ones; the HOA depresses the price of the house. In my mind, a house + HOA = condo, regardless of whether it shares a wall with someone else, and we’d pay accordingly (50-66% as much, tops)…
An HOA isn't theoretically better or worse than a state government.
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
What kind of change in law would you like to see that would outlaw them? As far as I can tell, aren't HOAs just 'built' out of standard contract law?
Yes, but so are non-compete agreements and discrimination, and laws can make those contracts invalid. I would like to see laws make HOAs invalid and null and void. If you own something you should have full control of it, to the extent that it doesn't adversely influence the safety of the community. So yeah I'm okay with laws saying you aren't allowed to store a pile of hazardous chemicals that could be a safety hazar…
In a free country, why would you take away my right to join an HOA to protect the home I own? The 1sr Amendment guarantees freedom of association.
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the people salvaging these cars would be happy to enter into a contract with Tesla to accept all liability (including superchargers/stations) for damages caused by the car they fixed up, then, right? Edit to add from a below comment I made: I mean more in the scenario of a cell going bad, causing a fire, then maybe blowing up the car and causing collateral damage. As I understand it, this would be covered by t…
> would be happy to enter into a contract with Tesla It is not Tesla's car. They don't own it anymore. The liability would be the same for any other car. > this would be covered by the car's insurance, right Yes. Which has nothing to do with Tesla. > then I can accept Tesla not wanting to be held liable Tesla does not own that car. The car would be the same as any other car that Tesla does not own.
Does Tesla sell cars? Or do they sell car-shaped things that run on licensed software?
Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas
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#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
Legislators, lobbyists and car manufacturers are working hard together to obsolete and replace OBDII with something that is completely locked away from consumers and independent mechanics forever.
You know, a newer thing that gets lots of remarks like that is the Security Gateway Module (SGM) from FCA (Chrysler) on 2018+ models. Everybody thinks its getting locked away from end users except read access. Less understood is along with this change they now they sell their micropods for $1800. (obd2 wifi dongle) Meaning, for under 2k you literally have the same tool the dealers have to use. And you can pay for 3 d…
I mean, with my 30+ year old car I can buy a Haynes manual for $10 once and I have the wiring diagrams and guides for how to make specific repairs forever.
Plus you only get those subscription services for as long as FCA decides they want to sell them to you. Will they still offer that 10 years from now? 20? Consider me extremely skeptical.