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U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by qtplatypus »

threeseed wrote: post #198
rdiddly wrote: post #192

Show of hands, who looks around today at the biggest challenges and problems we face, the ones that affect the greatest numbers of people the most perniciously, and that need swift & decisive solutions at almost any cost, and concludes that they're the ones having to do with foreign students being in the country taking online classes?

a) The government can do more than one thing at a time. b) Given that so many startups were founded by immigrants who studied here I would consider it a pretty important issue to address.

Yes the government can do more then one thing. However the US government has finite resources so why should it expend resources on kicking students out but not on more useful things.

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Post by jacquesm »

Beldin wrote: post #269
p1necone wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oops yes I am mistaken about the non majority thing. It still leads to bi party politics though.

Only if the election is per-seat. In the Netherlands, elections for the lower house (150 seats) are nationwide. The 150 candidates/parties with the highest number of votes get a seat. The party system makes it a bit more complex, but in the end, there's roughly proportional representation: a party with 10% of the popular vote occupies roughly 10% of the seats. No superwinning like in the UK (where 30% of the vote can…

And, crucially: minority viewpoints actually tend to be accommodated as larger parties lobby smaller ones to support their agenda. Coalition government is a lot better than the see-saw you get otherwise with one party undoing what the previous one did.

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Post by jacquesm »

throwawaygh wrote: post #203
WalterBright wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The federal government did use the threat of withdrawal of highway funds to get all 50 states to lower the speed limit to 55.

CONGRESS used the threat of withdrawal of highway funds to get all 50 states to lower the speed limit to 55. From my quote of the amicus brief: Defendants have thus violated the APA by promulgating a policy based on factors WHICH CONGRESSS DID NOT INTEND IT TO CONSIDER ( the all-caps is for emphasis because I can't see italics well anymore and HN doesn't have bold; I'm not yelling :) )

But the rest of HN can see italics just fine. Don't use caps. It is annoying.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by mav3rick »

ebg13 wrote: post #46
ergocoder wrote: post #8

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It probably something like " these foreign students bring billions of dollars to US". We'd really like to keep these customers.

But how is that striking "a deal"? That doesn't sound like giving something to get something.

When the landlord who votes for trump doesn't get his rent from University students...it means something

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Post by limbicsystem »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #257

Am I the only one thinking fighting to rid the country of the students resourceful enough to study in Harvard and MIT is madness? I would rather give them citizenship without even waiting for them to graduate.

I was talking recently to an Indian colleague whose son was admitted to McGill as an CS undergraduate. He had a very smooth transition through Canadian customs. Then was met right on the other side by representatives from McGill who provided a phone (to call his mother in India), a meal, and then talked him through the process of working with Canadian immigration to apply for permanent residency in a few years if he wanted to stay. The contrast with the US approach could not be starker.

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Post by christofdev »

jxm262 wrote: post #4

This article doesn't seem to go into much detail. Does anyone know if this applies to all colleges or just Harvard? I'm digging around online now but my search skills are failing me

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/bcm2007-01.pdf

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Post by jessaustin »

burfog wrote: post #255
jessaustin wrote: post #239

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Off the top of my head, I think of nations who have dealt effectively with the current health challenge: New Zealand, South Korea, Germany, etc.

South Korea's leader was following orders from a cult leader. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_South_Korean_political_sc... Germany has a huge self-inflicted migrant crisis. New Zealand seems to be heading down that path.

I love these wikipedia experts! Read your own link; Park is in prison. (Where the last five USA presidents should also be.)

The only Germans who worry about this so-called "migrant crisis" are those who make a living writing schadenfreude pieces for conservative American websites. You have been misled.

Besides, don't change the subject. We are talking about USA's massive failure. All three of these other nations have succeeded in dealing with this problem that has totally beaten us. Observing that they aren't sufficiently cruel to immigrants for your tastes doesn't change that fact.

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Post by jki275 »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #172
wahern wrote: post #153

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My law school classes took attendance. Rigorously. Because time management is a critical skill for attorneys, judges don't tolerate any amount of unannounced absenteeism, and missing filing deadlines can be and often is extremely costly, not just for you but for your client. (Also, taking attendance weeds out the liars. The ABA has strict attendance requirements and you're not supposed to get a degree if you miss the…

> I'm sure the military is similar. Ironically, Roll Call is a formal concept in the military and rarely used after training. But the concept of accountability certainly exists. This varies by country, branch of service, and job, but it’s fairly common for young airmen (enlisted troops) in the USAF to be docked pay after showing up late to work a few times. The punishment usually goes something like a stern warning->…

Muster is taken every day, every watch, in the Navy at least. It's a formal process with a formal report that is submitted to the ship's admin department, and then they submit a muster report up to the ship's immediate superior.

It's taken very seriously.

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Post by gnulinux »

gwright wrote: post #218
gnulinux wrote: post #170

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(AINAL) No I don't think you're correct, which is what I (and others) were trying to explain. Which is also why MIT and Harvard (and many other universities) sued ICE. Here, copy paste from another comment: > 19. Plaintiffs have standing to bring this case. Defendants’ actions will cause an imminent, concrete, and irreparable risk to Plaintiffs’ ability to achieve their educational missions unless halted by this Cour…

I tend to agree with you but I don't think your argument contradicts my statement. You are basically arguing that the health emergency still exists and the exemption should remain. I think that is a defensible argument, but that doesn't mean that the underlying logic (you don't need a visa to take an online course load) is invalid. If the health argument went away you would still be left with that underlying logic.

Yes, I think we agree.
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