Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU • Hacker News Board

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by mantap » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

luckylittle wrote: post #211

mantap wrote: post #78

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The corollary of this is that you don't even have to be infected with the coronavirus to die because of it. This coronavirus acts as figurative denial of service attack against hospitals. Anybody with a medical emergency is going to have an incresed risk of mortality if hospitals are swamped with an epidemic.

I wonder if it would be better to get infected now (on purpose), while hospitals are not under heavy load yet. You probably have higher chance of survival now, comparing to many weeks from now. Also the virus might mutate and become more deadly, so having antibodies now would also help down the line.

Probably not, you'd still run a small risk of death, even if you are young and healthy and getting excellent treatment in a first world hospital -- not to mention exposing your loved ones (particularly elders) to infection.

The best approach is certainly self-isolation with sufficient food, then you have zero chance of becoming infected.

I'm not at that point yet in Europe. But if I lived in Singapore or Hong Kong I might start considering it.

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by frank2 » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

rixrax wrote: post #233

If you get sick with 2019-nCoV, and recover, do we know if You have developed immunity against it at that point?

I don't know, but if the answer is no, then a vaccine against it is not going to confer immunity either.

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by CRUDite » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

oefrha wrote: post #214

blackrock wrote: post #174

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> Doctors there were running "naked" as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. This was one of the most tragic things in that article. The doctors, nurses, and health workers are the front line soldiers in this fight against the virus. And they don’t have the protective gear that they need to stay safe, and to keep the population safe, as wel…

According to a medical professional in my family who have close friends that have worked on the front line of epidemics, the high grade protective gears are like space suits, it takes close to an hour just to put them on and make sure they’re airtight, and taking them off takes even longer due to the significant risk of inflection (compared to when you put on a clean set) if you don’t take extreme care. Then there’s…

I heard a recording on the bbc world service in which a lady stated ten hour shifts were being done in this gear

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by cobookman » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

irq11 wrote: post #263

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #248

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Every expert is not saying that the infection rate is much higher than the official numbers, but the death rate is reliable. They’re both unreliable and we just don’t know the true numbers. China’s reaction is not comforting though.

No, you misunderstood the parent, as well as the facts: experts are saying that the widely parroted “2%” number is an overestimate , and that the real infection rate is lower. Deaths are easy to count. Minor cases of the virus are likely the most common sort, and never show up in a hospital at all.

Deaths are easy to count if they are counted. Local doctors have photos of more dead in the hospital than were reported by China.

Numbers don’t line up based on a basic statistical analysis.

Checkout these videos for reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSIt496d82s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkF4qYdNU9Y

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by rebuilder » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

rmrm wrote: post #103

allovernow wrote: post #66

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You're right, and this could very well be a propaganda piece, but it somehow comes off as genuine. There are activists in China who recognize the severity, understand the grasp of the party, and still desperately attempt to reach out - including the selfless doctor who died yesterday, and a number of activists who have already been disappeared. No doubt the number of such people has been increasing exponentially and…

90% of Chinese GDP is stopped. Do you have a source for that? I wouldnt think that is even possible.

I balked at that claim too, so I looked it up. Here's what might be the source : https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/01/coronavirus-more-of-china-ex...

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by cobookman » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:38 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #230

rorykoehler wrote: post #229

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I dunno if you’ve seen any of the undercover videos from the hospitals? It’s entirely possible there are hundreds of deaths that haven’t been recorded. Many deaths are being recorded with viral pneumonia as death as they don’t have enough test kits to verify and are therefore not attributed to this coronavirus.

Undercover videos. Played to much Plague Inc. lately? As long as numbers from the epicenter in Wuhan don't deviate to much from international WHO numbers I will not go by "it is possible that...". I don't argue the situation in Wuhan is horrible. But taking some individual cases from area hit worst and build some BS theories out of that, going against every expert opinion out there, is just conspiracy theory shit. An…

The WHO numbers are the CCP numbers. Foreign nationals are not allowed in to confirm.

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by ilkan » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

There's an understandably big focus on mortality/non-mortality. It seems that people are classified recovered and sent home after 3 to 14 days of tests are clear (depending on the hospital) but I haven't seen estimates for full recovery from symptoms and fatigue afterwards. Many companies run very lean... Is it likely 2 weeks off work per person after hospital discharge? 4?

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by ryanwaggoner » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 6:13 PM UTC

irq11 wrote: post #263

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every expert is not saying that the infection rate is much higher than the official numbers, but the death rate is reliable. They’re both unreliable and we just don’t know the true numbers. China’s reaction is not comforting though.

No, you misunderstood the parent, as well as the facts: experts are saying that the widely parroted “2%” number is an overestimate , and that the real infection rate is lower. Deaths are easy to count. Minor cases of the virus are likely the most common sort, and never show up in a hospital at all.

No, I didn’t misunderstand anything. The “real experts” are saying that the denominator (number of infected) is likely much higher than official numbers. But they are not saying that the numerator (deaths) is accurately represented by official figures. Deaths are easy to count if you only count deaths of confirmed infected people. There’s plenty of evidence that people are dying outside of the medical system, and that China is not accurately reporting all deaths from within the medical system as being caused by the virus.

In short, we have no idea, and it’s very dishonest to claim that either number is remotely reliable at this point.

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by lrem » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 6:30 PM UTC

lrem wrote: post #259

raverbashing wrote: post #181

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The question I'm still not sure is: of those who were infected, how many have been discharged from the hospital already? What was their mean recovery time?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Source of truth, if you're not afraid of a couple more clicks to get to the data: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

Re: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

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Post by hef19898 » Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 6:59 PM UTC

cobookman wrote: post #276

hef19898 wrote: post #230

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Undercover videos. Played to much Plague Inc. lately? As long as numbers from the epicenter in Wuhan don't deviate to much from international WHO numbers I will not go by "it is possible that...". I don't argue the situation in Wuhan is horrible. But taking some individual cases from area hit worst and build some BS theories out of that, going against every expert opinion out there, is just conspiracy theory shit. An…

The WHO numbers are the CCP numbers. Foreign nationals are not allowed in to confirm.

So all the youtubers arw able to counter proof them with videos people in other countries, without any relevant medical expertise, are analysing. Great. Now tell me, how exactly are the youtubers and people on Twitter getting the "true" numbers if China is censoring everything? And why do you refuse to accept that the Chinese figures do align pretty well with numbers from other countries? Or do the Chinese and the WHO conspire with all other governments as well to keep the "truth" hidden?