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An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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Salary and benefits aren’t treated exactly the same as capital expenditures. That’s how your purchase of a ten thousand dollar piece of electronics becomes a thousand dollar charge every ten years, no matter when the check clears. Which looks better on your companies balance sheet? Have you ever tracked your time as a salaried software developer? I used to, and used to think it was a stupid exercise. Then I learned t…

I am a salaried software developer, and my employer requires me to track my time, for precisely the reason you describe. And I still think it's stupid, despite having heard this very explanation at least twice (or thrice, if you count your comment). It doesn't make it make any more sense; it just makes corporate accounting sound like so much smoke and mirrors that accountants and investors willfully participate in. M…

> those dollars are coming out of their bank account into mine every two weeks like clockwork

Would it make you feel better to consider that those dollars aren't really coming from their bank account in any meaningful sense? They're almost always from a large creditor who extended a line of credit, or from the sale of unsecured debt against the company if you're big and bad enough. And that their "bank account" is almost entirely divorced from cash on hand, and it's built up from money other businesses and customers owe them for services?

We assume that businesses are going to be in business for the foreseeable future, that they'll pay their debts and collect profit on their assets and the world keeps moving. In that sense, corporate accounting isn't the smoke and mirrors; it's the way we give that assumption some basis in reality. We assume that your business will stay in operation and sell the product you helped build, so why penalize them for not being able to get money before the asset is built?

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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>what about the immediate emotional effects of the responses? Our brain/body is good at adapting so you simply ignore it or rather embrace the pain, yes it will be painful in the beginning but the more you are exposed to it the better it will be over time.

I suspected someone may say something like this. Is jumping in the deep end the only real answer to issues of fear or emotional turmoil? (ie, get back on the horse...) I don't disagree with you, I was just hoping there may be something else to consider.

Is there a way to be strong without exercising ?

You are right, there may be a way, I am hoping there maybe something to consider...

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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I am a salaried software developer, and my employer requires me to track my time, for precisely the reason you describe. And I still think it's stupid, despite having heard this very explanation at least twice (or thrice, if you count your comment). It doesn't make it make any more sense; it just makes corporate accounting sound like so much smoke and mirrors that accountants and investors willfully participate in. M…

> those dollars are coming out of their bank account into mine every two weeks like clockwork Would it make you feel better to consider that those dollars aren't really coming from their bank account in any meaningful sense? They're almost always from a large creditor who extended a line of credit, or from the sale of unsecured debt against the company if you're big and bad enough. And that their "bank account" is al…

Ah, yes. I always forget that the entire global economy is built on debt. That actually makes it worse, in a way, but at least it makes sense in context.

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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Sociable upper managerial-types probably value being able to collaborate more easily in open space more than being able to concentrate in private offices. This is not my experience. Most of the upper management at my employer spend their days wandering the halls looking for open "huddle rooms". Or, they just camp out semi-permanently in one of those spaces. They absolutely do not collaborate in public. In fact, they…

I know when Amazon was increasing density in some of their offices, they also built a few more meeting rooms (they did not, however, increase bathroom size, and I strongly suspect they were violating OSHA rules, if only due to gender inequality). This is possibly the only place I've ever worked where they made even a half-assed attempt to maintain the ratio of employees to meeting spaces. And you're right. Post densi…

Haha, dude, I remember that. They were definitely breaking OSHA rules. They had something like 3x the dudes per bathroom allowed

I used to just go home when I couldn't find an available bathroom. Fuck that company

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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If your developers skew towards those in their 20s, many of them have never experienced working in solitude. University culture is dominated by study groups and camping out in the library, so it's no great stretch to go from that to an open-office layout, or even one where you are forced to hot-desk. And laptops have been the norm. It's a little different when you were accustomed to go back to your dorm room where yo…

>And laptops have been the norm. It's a little different when you were accustomed to go back to your dorm room where you had your desktop setup to get anything done. This isn't quite right: before having your desktop computer in your dorm room was normal, you had to go to a computer lab to get anything done, and those had no privacy whatsoever. Computer labs with PCs were quite common until colleges started requiring…

> computer lab to get anything done, and those had no privacy whatsoever.

My computer lab in college had a lab monitor who enforced the "library quiet" culture. It was nice.

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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post #266

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>what about the immediate emotional effects of the responses? Our brain/body is good at adapting so you simply ignore it or rather embrace the pain, yes it will be painful in the beginning but the more you are exposed to it the better it will be over time.

I suspected someone may say something like this. Is jumping in the deep end the only real answer to issues of fear or emotional turmoil? (ie, get back on the horse...) I don't disagree with you, I was just hoping there may be something else to consider.

I am not immune to misguided emotional responses, but I believe I can generally recognize them for what they are, and ignore them. Especially when criticism comes from somebody you care about, like a partner, the emotional response is the strongest. But this is also the time to analyse what they are saying rationally and establish whether there's any truth in it. The emotional response seems to me to be to mindlessly defend.

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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It's been great fun to follow bradfitz's career. I first learned of him from a post on Slashdot about a cool remote controlled door hack in a college dorm. His roommate posted and basically said, "this guy is brilliant, it's just the tip of the iceberg - he posts what he's working on at bradfitz.com, check it out." This was in...1998? 1999? Seeing him start to post a daily journal, get frustrated, then write LiveJour…

Embarrassingly, I completely forgot bradfitz wrote Livejournal. He’s done so much cool stuff since then.

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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I'm curious whether Google's decision to stick to open floor plans was data-driven.

Data: we can't get our shit together about who works on what and how many people we need where and when so our office needs to be an open canvass for our amazing executive creativity. Yeah totally data driven.

Why does hacker news display the best comments in such hard-to-read light gray?

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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Google just lost a top percentile developer over their open floor plan. Literally irreplaceable. But they saved a few dollars on space. That is being penny wise and pound foolish, particularly for a company like Google who is not capital constrained. (He may not have quit directly because of the open office plan, but given that it's one of the few complaints he makes, it obviously is a factor.)

The thing is, it doesn't matter. To make a parallel with Microsoft in the early 00's and IBM before that: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... > Although there is some truth to the fact that Linux is a huge threat to Microsoft, predictions of the Redmond company’s demise are, to say the least, premature. Microsoft has an incredible amount of cash money in the bank and is still incredibly pr…

Being "too big to fail" doesn't mean they should be choosing to make mistakes willy-nilly.

Re: An Update on Bradfitz: Leaving Google

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It saves a fortune, but the companies are spending a fortune on their employees' salary and benefits too I think we're talking the difference between $300/month on open desk space vs $1000/month on an office. It's a lot of money and it adds up, but these people are costing the company a total of $10k-$40k a month My theory is that open space is extremely helpful to certain types of people, and those traits coincident…

> Sociable upper managerial-types probably value being able to collaborate more easily in open space more than being able to concentrate in private offices. This is the opposite of my experience. One thing that shocked me about a move to an open plan office after a life with offices was how stifling to discussion. It's so disruptive to have a conversation at someone's workspace, that to discuss anything nontrivial (o…

If it's that disruptive to chat. Perhaps the extra effort of going elsewhere.

Then reduces meetings. As Jeff Bezos says "communication is terrible"

Perhaps all that chit chat and meeting time is put to good use instead.

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