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Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Post by throw51319 »

bsenftner wrote: post #87
dpcan wrote: post #83

What's far more terrifying about this practice is that it's a method of reprogramming the way someone thinks. This is "Clockwork Orange" level experimentation. Imagine this being used in concentration camps or interrogations. Getting people to a mental state where they have no choice but to confess or conform because their minds will no longer let them "touch the cigarette". This is very scary.

I totally agree. This is yet another Capitalists Play to sell a shit load of dangerous crap under the guise of healthcare. Yet another opioid-like crisis in its infancy. Just wait until this is available like pot and watch thousands of people who can't handle bare reality melt down and become burdens. (FWIW, I am experienced.)

It is true. Less experienced with shrumz, but he had one powerful experience with that in pitch dark in bedroom. Also had a lot of Keta experiences.

These will break down weak peoples' ideas of what their reality is... and they prob won't be able to handle that.

Opened minded people of course can, because they are used to going with the flow of life.

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Post by mikelyons »

tryitnow wrote: post #232

This headline can give newbies the wrong impression. Mindset and environment are just as important as the substance. A a more accurate headline would be "Months of intensive therapy set the stage for Magic Mushrooms to help smokers kick the habit" I know people will see headlines like this, try to "cure" something with psychedelics, end up getting themselves into some sort of trouble and then blame the substances for…

Doing meditation and other spiritual practices seriously seems to have a potentiation effect on psychedelic outcome IME.

My later trips have been much deeper and more profound after lots of this type of work.

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Post by cwkoss »

magnamerc wrote: post #240
cheez wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a habit I'm trying to break as well and I pondered using drugs. But I don't do drugs otherwise. How do you go about finding DMT?

You can buy pre-cursors (or known as analogs) like 4-AcO-DMT online from Lysergi. They are sold as a 'research chemical', however they metabolize into psilocin so it is indistinguishable to psilocybin. Obviously you should take every pre-caution before ingesting any substance by doing your own research, and looking into the authenticity of the supplier.

pedantic semantic quibble: precursors are molecules that are used to produce a target molecule. Analogs are molecules which are a functional substitute for a target molecule.

5-Aco-DMT is an analog to psilocin, and is believed to be a prodrug (converted into target by your body), but I think precursor is a misnomer in this case.

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Post by mikelyons »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #152

The meme that quitting smoking is hard is manufactured to keep you smoking. Imagine who might benefit from this. If you want to stop smoking there's only one book you need, Allen Carr's Easy Way To Stop Smoking.

Joel Spitzer recommends this book and his youtube channel on quitting smoking is also fantastic.

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Post by Noos »

aaomidi wrote: post #192
Noos wrote: post #187

This is the same fundamental dishonesty that pushed for marijuana legalization: the idea that there are "medicinal uses" and the drug should be legalized based on those, pushed by advocates of casual use. Medical use as a trojan horse for recreational/casual. I don't really think using a seriously psychoactive substance for smoking is good at all; it is something that can be done by other means which involve much les…

The risk is minimal while the risk of continued smoking isn't. The stories of personality change or risks are so overly reported on you forget that millions of people are using psychedelics daily without losing their personality.

the personality change is touted here constantly as a benefit of using it, and its promoted as a source for personal enlightenment. People here are talking about undergoing personal epiphanies and transformations.

i don't think it's smart even granting their argument to have a drug with powerful effects being used to solve problems. And this is assuming it wouldn't also amplify and mental issues a person has or cause psychotic breaks, etc.

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Post by Noos »

RandomTisk wrote: post #246
avodonosov wrote: post #229

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I know cases of very tragic results of psychedelic use. So if you think to enlight me on childish bullshit like "the war on drugs is a conspiracy against us, in reality, drugs are very good for people" - if I was some 25 years younger I could consider that, but not today. If you believe there are no downsides, FYI, around a century ago heroin was marketed as a "no downsides" cough suppressant. With time (very soon) t…

Let's be careful here, and use precise words. Yes, they are powerful, and they are to be feared, but they are not what you think they are. They're on Schedule 1 because the people banning them had an extremely narrow view on what they were capable of, as you seem to, about what they're good for. Schedule 1 says something to effect of "No medicinal value". That is a lie, as much as 2+2=5. It's becoming increasingly cl…

its precisely because of all those glowing reports i distrust the hell out of them.

We have a long history and data on how drugs in general can treat problems, but often come with side effects and other issues when they work, often serious. And sometimes per person they just don't; finding the correct drug treatment for a person is a very hard.

When i hear all this about LSD as a perfect miracle drug, I get VERY suspicious.

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Post by sushid »

LocalH wrote: post #144
hannasanarion wrote: post #81

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Chewing tobacco.

Not really chewing tobacco, it's moist tobacco that one places between their gums and their lips.

Yeah but it’s _called_ chewing tobacco. Not sure why you corrected the commenter above.

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Post by [deleted] »

carapace wrote: post #250
harshreality wrote: post #231

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But a lot of the time psychoactive drugs can remove psychological barriers that would otherwise prevent constructive participation in therapy. Not everyone needs it, but judging from how many people are in more-or-less-perpetual therapy, I think you might be undervaluing psychoactive drugs in that context.

> I think you might be undervaluing psychoactive drugs in that context. I can only assure you I'm not. Your brain can already make all the psychoactive drugs you need. These chemicals (LSD, Psilcybin) are like electroshock therapy, just a little more subtle. There are more precise and/or delicate modalities that are effective. I don't think it's too controversial to believe that we should concentrate on the precise a…

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Post by RandomTisk »

Noos wrote: post #276
RandomTisk wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be careful here, and use precise words. Yes, they are powerful, and they are to be feared, but they are not what you think they are. They're on Schedule 1 because the people banning them had an extremely narrow view on what they were capable of, as you seem to, about what they're good for. Schedule 1 says something to effect of "No medicinal value". That is a lie, as much as 2+2=5. It's becoming increasingly cl…

its precisely because of all those glowing reports i distrust the hell out of them. We have a long history and data on how drugs in general can treat problems, but often come with side effects and other issues when they work, often serious. And sometimes per person they just don't; finding the correct drug treatment for a person is a very hard. When i hear all this about LSD as a perfect miracle drug, I get VERY susp…

I can agree and sympathize with that, I think what happened was during the early days of LSD, there a strong counterculture that stemmed out of some very dark individuals like Aleister Crowley. Guys like Timothy Leary used Crowley almost like a symbol or standard, and it spawned a massive backlash against LSD and psilocybin. A lot of what was said about LSD and Psilocybin was true about Crowley and Leary, but they were just two very flawed people who took a lot of good medical research down with them.

These drugs are mysterious and powerful and some of the most irresponsible and foolish and loudest people on the planet got their hands on them. But there is a lot of promising research that suggests the baby shouldn't have be thrown out like it was in the 70's.

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