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America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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... so you say that "A whole lot of this BS is rooted in the idea that a woman's sexuality is a prize to be won by ... a man who earns enough to take care of her," and you'll entertain the idea that it comes from women more than men, but you want to justify it by saying "women need a man's income to not be dirt poor." Do you realize how poor of an argument that is? Even reading "most women need men's income" as a leg…

I was homeless for nearly six years. During that time, random men who realized I was homeless would either offer me cash for sex or ask if I needed a place to live. Meanwhile, attempts to figure out how to earn an income were met very dismissively. Attempts to figure out how to network on HN got me essentially nowhere. I have written pieces that did well on the front page of HN. My Patreon remains underfunded and I g…

global old boys club of our era

Interestingly, I believe you're the only participant in this forum whose gender I'm aware of.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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#BelieveAllWomen was in fact a real thing, a year ago....

As a reaction to a system where literally thousands of women's rape kits are not tested for years due to a combination of mismanagement, underfunding and understaffing, as well to structural issues such as male police officers not taking sexual assault accusations seriously or subjecting victims of assault to traumatizing questioning with no care about their mental well-being. Back then, the status quo was "if you're…

Yep, exactly my point! The believe all women hashtag was literally a real thing... Literally referring to rape claims!

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For the life of me I don’t understand why government funded institutions run their own tribunals. Send it through the proper court system, if the accused is guilty you can expel them cleanly.

If I run a startup, and one of my employees is making other employees uncomfortable, and he keeps getting accused of harassing other employees, and is generally just making some of my best engineers unhappy, hurting productivity, and ruining our carefully constructed culture... ...I can fire him. I mean, obviously I need to go through the proper HR procedures, follow local employment law, respect the terms of his con…

I see nothing wrong with asking guests to leave, and honestly not that much with expelling students as there are plenty of universities out there. At my local university I am attending I recently completed a mandatory course on plagiarism and it would supposedly dish out the following punishments:

-Failing you from classes you are in with 0 refund.

-Permanent mark on your academic transcript you supposedly can't escape.

-Having to report to future employers you plagiarized.

Which is essentially asking guests to leave and utterly destroying half a decade of their lives and tens of thousands of their dollars in many cases. This is the part I take issue with. The dollar store you shoplifted from according to one "witness" has now come into your house, took all the groceries in it, and beat up your fridge.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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In my junior year of college (very early 2000s), a senior friend was accused of rape by a classmate. Within two days he had to hide out at my girlfriend's house because a large group of large athletes was on the hunt for him to beat him up. Within weeks he was expelled from school. I don't recall the police ever being contacted. Turns out the girl was ashamed she voluntarily slept with him. She admitted it to friends…

We should make the punishment for falsely accusing someone of rape equivalent to the punishment for rape. That's take care of the problem.

If they become equivalent, it just increases the odds that the accuser will take it to their graves and the name of the accuse will be tarnished forever.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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As one potential example, though I'd want to see more data on actual relationships, regions with more immigrants tend to have warmer feelings toward immigrants, even among the non-immigrant population.

Because the non-immigrants who don't want to live among foreigners tend to leave and/or not move in. Simple self-selection. Real life example of someone like this would be John Cleese, who moves from London to Bath after London lost its English identity. Compare: People who eat burgers like burgers more than people who don't. Is it because eating burgers makes you like burgers, or because only people who like burgers…

> Real life example of someone like this would be John Cleese, who moves from London to Bath after London lost its English identity.

That seems more like an example of how easily statements get exaggerated and take on a life of their own. Cleese said something that was way overinterpreted, but he didn't move because of what he claimed. I'm not sure where you got that idea.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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You think it's literally illegal to fire someone for spitting on their boss?

The OP talked about getting fired "with no hearing". The days of bosses being absolute rulers that can just fire people instantly with a "You're fired!" isn't really true these days, even in places like the US with limited worker protection. Typically, hearings with HR are scheduled to see what and why things happened. This can result in the worker being fired, of course, but companies fear wrongful dismissal law sui…

Okay, so how is that different from the campus sexual assault tribunals that everyone in this thread is objecting to?

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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We should make the punishment for falsely accusing someone of rape equivalent to the punishment for rape. That's take care of the problem.

This assumes the court system is infallible though when we know it is not. Plus, I can see something like this deterring actual victims from coming forward.

something like this deterring actual victims from coming forward

This is also a possibility, but it's pretty much universally accepted that it's better to let a criminal go than to punish an innocent person.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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In my junior year of college (very early 2000s), a senior friend was accused of rape by a classmate. Within two days he had to hide out at my girlfriend's house because a large group of large athletes was on the hunt for him to beat him up. Within weeks he was expelled from school. I don't recall the police ever being contacted. Turns out the girl was ashamed she voluntarily slept with him. She admitted it to friends…

We should make the punishment for falsely accusing someone of rape equivalent to the punishment for rape. That's take care of the problem.

You should watch the Netflix series "Unbelievable" or read the true story it's based on:

https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an...

It's eye opening about how hard it is to be believed about even a "classic" masked stranger, home invasion rape.

Having read that (and watched a couple of episodes of the Netflix adaption) I'm more likely to believe the original commenter's friend commited a rape and the victim was just compelled to deny it, possibly suffering twice.

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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How would bias toward gay people fit in with that? A lot of people don't know (or at least aren't aware that they know) anyone gay, but bias toward gay people has dramatically fallen over the last couple of decades. There was a recent episode of "Hidden Brain" on NPR that talked about this [1]. This part is particularly interesting: > In a thought experiment, Mahzarin and her colleagues have extended the trend lines…

>Most families include the elderly and the overweight, so the idea that familiarity breeds acceptance would predict that those biases should be going away quicker than biases against gays. What I'm about to say is not meant to provide a justification for discriminatory behavior, it's just an armchair-anthropologist's attempt at explaining this discrepancy. We might have a very deep bias against old people; if a group…

I wonder at want point a gentle pressure to change unhealthy eating habits becomes "discriminatory behavior"?

Re: America’s New Sex Bureaucracy

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That's very insightful. And yet those men are still sexist, but in a protective way.

I recovered from being sexually abused as a child in part because I actively sought out protective male friends. I've long believed the antidote to "bad men" is "good men." In contrast, a lot of rape victims simply conclude all men are evil and it becomes a barrier to recovery. I think they don't know another way to feel safe. It seems like the safe bet to them: just don't trust any men. That wasn't my reaction.

The example you gave about 'all men are evil' falls under similar pretext to a lot of the racism that has existed in history. For example "One individual from X group killed someone from 'my group', now every time I see someone from X group, I perceive them to be killers and thieves".

Humans try to rationalize a world full of unknowns most often with their own lenses.

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