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Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

propelol wrote: post #236
hutzlibu wrote: post #232

I am not sure, how appropriate this is, but a related question/poll: there is the stereotype, that hackers/IT guys are in general fat/unhealthy. But in my experience, this is not at all true. It might just be my circles of people (mostly germans around 30), but most of the IT guys I know, take good care of their body, eat healthy and do all kinds of sports. Even though some are now starting to get lazy, the overall p…

People with higher education often take better care of their bodies. Here is my theory: A couple of decades ago, IT didn't require much education, because there weren't many schools doing IT. So many people without higher education worked in IT.

I don't have any higher education, I took the vocational school route for electronics and IT support, got a job and worked my way up through experience and various courses/certifications.

Maybe I'm a good example, because I used to be rather overweight (125+kg) and inactive. After I started working in IT, I've slimmed down to below 100kg and I've been doing crossfit for ~5 years.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by mhomde »

jessaustin wrote: post #173
tinha wrote: post #72

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There's a documentary on Netflix about this, I think it's called Sugar x Fat.

Does anyone have an opinion on this one, also on Netflix? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Health It's pro-veganism and the narrator is a goofy manchild, but has credible (to me anyway) medical experts.

Yeah, I second that. I starts out very credible but if you examine what they say, especially regarding sugar and carbs it becomes very clear that it's vegan propaganda and skewing its facts heavily

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

richardknop wrote: post #216

Has it actually been proven that natural fats are bad for you? I always thought fat is healthier than sugar. Both sugar and fat are required part of healthy diet but I’d rather eat some pork sausage than ice cream or chocolate. It seems much healthier to me but I could be totally wrong and this is just some irrational belief I hold.

Watch out for that sausage, it's very likely to have nitrite salts in it, as well as surprisingly high amounts of sodium and sugar.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

doitLP wrote: post #64

Interesting but not surprising. Pharmaceutical companies, for instance, don't publish or cancel studies that show unfavorable results all the time and no one makes a fuss. Who knows the loss to the community and consumers at large in terms of knowledge and health? Beyond that, the take away is yet again: If it's a shortcut or if it's delicious, it's bad for you. (gazes longingly at holiday cookies on desk)

I don't know, I certainly find chicken (with skin and bone, and no salt/sugar marinade, thank you!) with rice and plenty of veggies to be quite delicious. A lot more delicious than cookies, honestly.

I've been trying to live by the No S Diet for a while, and it seems to be working for me, I highly recommend it.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

jmurinello wrote: post #94
JAFTEM wrote: post #89

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One could instead use fats for fuel by cycling in and out of ketosis. After the body adapts, sugar and carb cravings subside.

I would like to see more researches on ketosis diet. Seen by medicine as something that occurs when in starvation, I see it as the natural state of the human body. I eat once a day and I don't feel like I'm starving. And when I eat I don't feast.

Ketosis can be very hard on the kidneys, so I find it hard to believe that it should be the natural state of the human body.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

sddfd wrote: post #15
losteric wrote: post #11

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A 12 oz can of Coca Cola has twice the sugar content of an apple, without the beneficial fiber or vitamins. How many Americans are obese because they eat too many fruits and vegetables? An overwhelming majority are obese due to fast foods, soda, snacks, and sweets... costing taxpayers millions of dollars while companies profit from the negative externality.

I absolutely share your viewpoint. As a consumer, I try to think about the ingredients of a product: if it is mostly chemicals (in contrast do agricultural products), then the product probably isn't healthy.

https://cdn.paperpile.com/blog/files/Goldberg-2014.pdf

The "chemicals are bad!" scare has gotten completely out of hand.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #249
chiefalchemist wrote: post #150

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Sodium gets paired with sugar to manipulate the tastebuds. Taste has become a hyper-surreal experience.

Most chicken sold is pumped up with water (because water is cheaper than chicken). To bind the water, they add a ton of salt. To counteract the salty taste, they add sugar. As a side effect, it makes skinless boneless chicken breasts less likely to dry out if you overcook them slightly. The end result is that most people find the taste of non-pumped chicken unappealing, because they're simply used to the faked-up sal…

Yup. Bought a precooked whole chicken at Wegmans a couple weeks ago. The small printed said up to 12% was water and other ingredients (e.g., salt). All we wanted was chicken.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by chiefalchemist »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #241
chiefalchemist wrote: post #148

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I just finished reading "Grain Brain" (as a follow up to "Wheat Belly" a couple yrs ago. GF aside, both books are - or should be - a wake up call. We're eating ourselves ill. So much so we don't even realize it.

Both books are filled with pseudoscience and unfounded speculation. As with any "avoid these specific foodstuffs!" diet, it is destined to fail, because we humans are imperfect, we will not be able to adhere to such diets in the long term, and we will do everything in our power to find loopholes and excuses. http://www.cbc.ca/news/wheat-belly-arguments-are-based-on-sh... The only diet* I've had any luck with is the N…

I don't disagree.

That said, I think it's obvious that most people need to challenge the status quo of their diet. For Grain Brain to remind them "you are what you eat" is a step in the right direction. For both to suggest that you can be sensitive to gluten so give it up for 30 days...well, that's not going to hurt anyone either.

Moi? I read them as guidelines and suggestions. Sure, perhaps not 100% pure science, but there was a time when science said the world was flat, smoking was ok, etc.

To say "this things are worth looking at as you revist your health" might not be ideal. But neither is a bag of chips and a stack of cookies.

Ultimately it's about:

- Changing your relationship with food. Food is for health, not to experience an aural orgasm.

- Lifestyle. Diet is just one way to mind your health. Junk is junk, whether that's food, friends, or information. Trying to fix your health only via diet is, as you note, a fool's errand.

Re: Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link 50 years ago

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Post by sddfd »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #276
sddfd wrote: post #15

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I absolutely share your viewpoint. As a consumer, I try to think about the ingredients of a product: if it is mostly chemicals (in contrast do agricultural products), then the product probably isn't healthy.

https://cdn.paperpile.com/blog/files/Goldberg-2014.pdf The "chemicals are bad!" scare has gotten completely out of hand.

I'm not at all against chemical additives.

I'm just saying if you're eating something which barely contains any agricultural product, you should ask yourself whether this is really healthy.

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