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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

oh_sigh wrote: post #227
pvaldes wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This analogy is repeated again and again but is a bad example. A divorce is not "a right", is an agreement regulated by law between two previously married people to put a legal end to the relationship. The true fact is that I can't divorce from my wife without her permit and she could not divorce from me without me agreeing to sign the divorce papers. Does not match the case of one part splitting unilaterally. A bett…

Historically, has the federal government pumped more resources into Catalonia than it extracted from it, or the other way around?

There's no federal government, it's not a federation.

Historically the central government has extracted money and resources from Catalonia. Catalonia was one of the first regions in Spain to develop its industry and definitely the strongest on that: https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolución_industrial_en_Esp...

These days it is widely accepted that the Catalan people send 16 billion per year to Spain that are never returned. That wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't because our infrastructures are underfunded and only around 35% of the budgeted investments were actually executed: http://www.elnacional.cat/es/politica/estado-ejecucion-infra...

But this is not just an economic grievance. The issue is way more complex and includes (but not restricted to) language, cultural and respect issues.

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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by contravariant »

pvaldes wrote: post #238
contravariant wrote: post #194

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Does being conveniently located to trade on the Mediterranean sea count as chance or not?

Valencia is also in the same line, but there is a dirty secret that nobody wants to hear and much less admit. Franco, being the same horrible dictator that killed a lot of innocent people, favoured actively Catalonia's economy over other provinces, for decades. Is true that he discouraged them to speak in Catalonian language, but also discouraged people to speak in Galician language (and Franco was born in Galicia).…

Valencia was one of the places I was hinting at (although I suppose they removed the river that originally made it a convenient place for a port).

Anyway, I wasn't completely aware of that part of the history, thanks.

That said I don't quite agree that Catalonia wasn't oppressed. I'm not qualified to say which regions were oppressed the most, but economic prosperity isn't the opposite of oppression. If anything the real dark truth is that oppressive authoritarian dictatorships can be quite effective, and even prosperous.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

toyg wrote: post #231
pvaldes wrote: post #204

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This analogy is repeated again and again but is a bad example. A divorce is not "a right", is an agreement regulated by law between two previously married people to put a legal end to the relationship. The true fact is that I can't divorce from my wife without her permit and she could not divorce from me without me agreeing to sign the divorce papers. Does not match the case of one part splitting unilaterally. A bett…

> I can't divorce from my wife without her permit What? You totally can, at least in most countries, as long as you can prove that your wife did something wrong. Can Catalunya prove that Spain did something wrong? Yeah: Franco.

There are some exceptions and many different divorce laws, but the example obviously should be taken in a spanish context, and not trying to suggest that Catalonia (typically represented as the wife) was cheating to its partner Spain (typically represented as man and violent abuser) so she "has the right to go". Would be against their own discourse.

http://www.vozbcn.com/figura/2009/11/20091127nou.jpg

"Shouldn't your wife be allowed to divorce from you if she wants" with an implicit (because you abused it) would be, on the other hand, an extremely rude example. I don't think that this passive-agressive possibility was even in the mind of the people posting it.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by tony101 »

kodablah wrote: post #30
diggan wrote: post #13

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Alternative approach: Instead of using the IPFS2HTTP gateways (that can easily be censored, as gateway.ipfs.io has already been censored in Catalunya), run a IPFS daemon locally that cannot be censored (but is not anonymous either). I live in Catalunya and wrote this tool for doing just that, in a easy way. It 1) starts a go-ipfs daemon locally, 2) opens up the referendum website in your default browser, via localhos…

> that cannot be censored I am not familiar with IPFS internals, but is there no pattern to the IPFS traffic that the ISPs can shape/block? Too bad about the entire IPFS domain being blocked, because besides the host, HTTPS traffic has safety in numbers. If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block.

> If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block.

There is. Domain fronting is used in China to circumvent the Great Firewall. The concept you are talking about is collateral freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_fronting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_freedom

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by michigan_j_frog »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #84
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #67

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150 years after the US civil war, the confederate flag is still flying around. I wouldn't be to hasty to call it eventual.

That's true, but you don't see signs demanding "democracy" or secession (except perhaps in Texas, and not really much there either). That is, while there are confederate flags, there isn't a active, ongoing independence movement in the US south.

But there’s no chance a binding secession referendum would be allowed in the U.S..

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

euyyn wrote: post #215
enriquto wrote: post #213

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> it's not even clear how to decide who is Catalan enough to have a vote in this. All residents in Catalonia have the right to vote in this referendum, regardless of their origin. So your comment is basically empty.

The fact that it is how this referendum was designed doesn't mean it's fair. E.g. why would a foreigner that's been living in Catalonia for a few weeks, and plans to move away within a month to never return, have more of a say than a Catalan that spent 40 years there but had to move abroad two months ago in search of a job?

That's not how it works. You might want to read about it before having an opinion on a straw man.

For the record: Spaniards living in Catalonia for at least 6 months can vote. Foreigners can't, like in General or Regional elections.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

kgwgk wrote: post #188
wav-part wrote: post #102

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> Countries are not people, they don't respect or love each other, they oscillate between peace and war. The history of every major nation is a history of violence and conquest, not freely entered union. IMO that has not been true for last 70 yrs. Point to me a war that has been People vs People. The fact of the current world is People Are Sovereign. If some >=N people domiciled in continuous region wants self-determ…

I suspect that those who want to separate Catalonia from the rest of the country wouldn’t agree with the human right of the people in the Barcelona metropolitan are to choose by themselves their own future...

They do agree though. Barcelona, Aran, whatever. You name it.

Just start the political movement and it'll be respected. I think it's a fair ask.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

kgwgk wrote: post #195
pipio21 wrote: post #127

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Not true. Spain was the union of three kingdoms: Castilla, Aragon and Navarra. In fact you can see it in the flag, it has a shield with the chains of Navarra, the lion of Leon, the Castle of Castilla and the colors of Aragon(which are the same of Spain and Catalunya flag) over a Granada fruit(for Granada conquest). Basque was never a kingdom,either Galicia or Catalunya. Asturias was a kingdom, later becoming Asturias…

> My grandfather was Basque, he spoke Batua, the original Basque language in his village [...] The language was unified less than 100 years ago [...] Actually “batua” means “unified” and is the name given to the modern variant that you talk about.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of all the non-sense that comment spouted. Getting something so basic that wrong... Geez.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by rangibaby »

samstave wrote: post #140
red_admiral wrote: post #72

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The attack mentioned on the page is brute-forcing someone's details from partial information: "it can be used to “fill the gaps” of information about any citizen. If you know someone’s birth date and the area where they live, you can obtain their government ID by trial-and-error on that website." The mitigation is slowing down the number of guesses/second that an attacker can try. In a well-designed key derivation fu…

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I downloaded the Bitcoin mining app in 2010, opened it once, got bored of waiting for it to sync with some server, then shut and forgot about it for a few years. It might be a funny story to tell my grandkids if BTC is still around

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

lederhosen wrote: post #252
monort wrote: post #236

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What's wrong with independence of small groups? The more governments - the more competition. Why are we against big monopolies in every area, except the state services?

Where does the recursion end? Should Catalonia accept independence from pockets where the majority wants to be Spanish?

The recursion ends where people wants it to end.

Can your neighborhood struck trade deals with India? Then maybe your neighborhood wants to team up with others around to do that... See where I'm going?

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